that why we can't beat nobody whomper.


ep-no good laps made here

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Originally posted by SCDIV1:


The stage light turn on and off trick to trigger AutoStart, to me, is about as unsportsmanlike as it can get but since it's allowed don't get bit by it or by the "racers" that are known to use that tactic....

Not that it matters, but there's no way I'm racing in any event that allows this to occur and that's just my opinion....

I absolutely agree it is unsportsman like and I do not want to play that game. I try to not to get caught by those tricks or play those games. But you do need to know them to deal with it.

It may not be "Illegal" but is not Sportsman like. America has gotten to where is does not matter if it is right wrong as long as you Win. That is True in racing, politics, business and most everything else.

So much for all staging motion must be forward LMAO

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

A couple of guys that run the NHRA circuit screw around forever before they will pre-stage. I got bit by one in Utah several years ago. Yes, he beat me fair and square. Next time I race him I have a little surprise in store. Might even get me disqualified. Hell, it might get both of us bounced. We shall see. And no, I’m not saying what I’m gonna do.

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Originally posted by Cashflow:
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

A couple of guys that run the NHRA circuit screw around forever before they will pre-stage. I got bit by one in Utah several years ago. Yes, he beat me fair and square. Next time I race him I have a little surprise in store. Might even get me disqualified. Hell, it might get both of us bounced. We shall see. And no, I’m not saying what I’m gonna do.

You're not gonna hook a chain to the tower are ya?

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
You're not gonna hook a chain to the tower are ya?

Define "chain".....


I just race my race. The only thing I look at in the other lane is to see if they have prestaged. Once they have, I could care less what they do. I'll roll in first or second, don't care. If they want to sit there after I prestage, fine.. If they roll in first, fine. I've had a couple of drivers try to play those games with me and I could care less. It's my race to win or lose, I don't need to play games.

Honestly, I feel if a driver has to play staging games or whatever to try and gain an advantage, then they need to fix the weak links in their program, I don't care how "good" they may be. I dial honest, try to cut a good light, and run my race. I don't hold, although I have a couple of times but by accident not intentional, and I just do my thing.

We have all been there as we pull in to the water box at our target temp and from experience kinda get a feel for the normal time it takes to wait for the pair at the line to stage and complete their run. Not this is not a science or down to the second but I think most have a target temp thy would like to see when they have the first bulb on. But even if its not me in the water box and the (burn down begins) and the starter backs both cars out, makes them do it again lengthens that predicted time for that target temp and the cars behind them have deal with it I feel for them. We have all heard the statement from some one saying Ill run my junk out of fuel before I stage first against who ever, I can sit there all day and not get the motor hot. Its a bracket race who cares who stages first or last. Its kind of a respect thing with me as the guy behind me in the water box is there to race too. Dont get me wrong chit can happen and some one can have a little glitch and be out of their normal staging time it happens. But to plan on being the hey look at me I will make my presence known as every one will notice Im still in and will only stage when I am good and ready is really sad. No to be confused with a cautious stage. Again if some one has a dial in problem or motor loses fire or button falls of steering wheel,etc etc fine its not on purpose and no malace intended. Its a simple formula weather its a 959ci or a 283ci get the light as close to .000 as posible and try to keep it as dead to the dial as possible. Engine temp,oil temp and trans temp or hold and a few numbers and depend on the other lane giving up numbers at either end and take the shot. Its a 2 cars go down 1 comes back for round next. Ok old guy here with my 2 cents worth.

years ago at norwalk 10g nats....watched a guy the night before back into the beams and leave the top bulb lit with a dragster, then adjust belts, arm restraints, ect. i was driving a buddies door car at the time. did my burnout about 10' behind him. When he stopped at the pre stage i rolled pre-stage to stage in one motion. dude ended up being pretty late on the tree.

p i s s e d off a few people in the process (mainly dragster buddies) was anything done inappropriately? nope.

JBR is like a Bass fisherman up there, these guys who make a big deal about staging last, are notorious for looking down at gauges.

This is when the hook is set. JBR knows he has one on the line, at that instant.

It's a game to him.

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Originally posted by Curly1:

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Originally posted by SCDIV1:


The stage light turn on and off trick to trigger AutoStart, to me, is about as unsportsmanlike as it can get but since it's allowed don't get bit by it or by the "racers" that are known to use that tactic....

Not that it matters, but there's no way I'm racing in any event that allows this to occur and that's just my opinion....

I absolutely agree it is unsportsman like and I do not want to play that game. I try to not to get caught by those tricks or play those games. But you do need to know them to deal with it.

It may not be "Illegal" but is not Sportsman like. America has gotten to where is does not matter if it is right wrong as long as you Win. That is True in racing, politics, business and most everything else.

Is it more unsportsmanlike than sitting there refusing to move until your opponent is staged?

I’ve seen JBR stage first; I think he just likes to play with the people who won’t and has the car control to do something about it.

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Originally posted by Curly1:

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Originally posted by SCDIV1:


The stage light turn on and off trick to trigger AutoStart, to me, is about as unsportsmanlike as it can get but since it's allowed don't get bit by it or by the "racers" that are known to use that tactic....

Not that it matters, but there's no way I'm racing in any event that allows this to occur and that's just my opinion....

I absolutely agree it is unsportsmanlike and I do not want to play that game. I try to not to get caught by those tricks or play those games. But you do need to know them to deal with it.

It may not be "Illegal" but is not Sportsman like. America has gotten to where is does not matter if it is right or wrong, as long as you Win. That is True in racing, politics, business and most everything else.

Lets not sugarcoat it.

Rules don't matter, the same as votes don't matter..... who counts the votes is what matters.

As far as winning goes, there's a big difference between winning and being accredited for winning.

The guy who was timed out and rewarded with a red light in his lane, CAN make a rational argument he never lost, if the last move has to be forward rule, is in effect for this race..

It's not underhanded or unsportsmanlike if it's accepted.

Truth / Reality is spoken into existence.

Hey Mike, You're missing the boat. His last move "to Stage" is forward! Just because his second bulb is not on doesn't mean that he isn't/hasn't staged. What do you make of a guy with a transmission issue that literally backs out of the beams when he applies the transbrake? If he doesn't get red lighted his last motion before the tree comes down isn't forward. Just saying.

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Originally posted by Undertaker II:
Hey Mike, You're missing the boat. His last move "to Stage" is forward! Just because his second bulb is not on doesn't mean that he isn't/hasn't staged. What do you make of a guy with a transmission issue that literally backs out of the beams when he applies the transbrake? If he doesn't get red lighted his last motion before the tree comes down isn't forward. Just saying.

No Sir, it's not at all debatable. His last move to stage according to the timing equipment, is to turn the wheel, in order to activate the stage light.

This is not my opinion, everyone can see, it is observable, self evident, the last move to stage isn't forward.

If JBR never turns the steering, he never stages.

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Undertaker II:
Hey Mike, You're missing the boat. His last move "to Stage" is forward! Just because his second bulb is not on doesn't mean that he isn't/hasn't staged. What do you make of a guy with a transmission issue that literally backs out of the beams when he applies the transbrake? If he doesn't get red lighted his last motion before the tree comes down isn't forward. Just saying.

No Sir, it's not at all debatable. His last move to stage according to the timing equipment, is to turn the wheel, in order to activate the stage light.

This is not my opinion, everyone can see, it is observable, self evident, the last move to stage isn't forward.

If JBR never turns the steering, he never stages.

The tire goes from behind the stage beam to in the stage beam. That’s forward movement.

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Undertaker II:
Hey Mike, You're missing the boat. His last move "to Stage" is forward! Just because his second bulb is not on doesn't mean that he isn't/hasn't staged. What do you make of a guy with a transmission issue that literally backs out of the beams when he applies the transbrake? If he doesn't get red lighted his last motion before the tree comes down isn't forward. Just saying.

No Sir, it's not at all debatable. His last move to stage according to the timing equipment, is to turn the wheel, in order to activate the stage light.

This is not my opinion, everyone can see, it is observable, self evident, the last move to stage isn't forward.

If JBR never turns the steering, he never stages.

The tire goes from behind the stage beam to in the stage beam. That’s forward movement.

Ok, so what's the final move to stage?

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Undertaker II:
Hey Mike, You're missing the boat. His last move "to Stage" is forward! Just because his second bulb is not on doesn't mean that he isn't/hasn't staged. What do you make of a guy with a transmission issue that literally backs out of the beams when he applies the transbrake? If he doesn't get red lighted his last motion before the tree comes down isn't forward. Just saying.

No Sir, it's not at all debatable. His last move to stage according to the timing equipment, is to turn the wheel, in order to activate the stage light.

This is not my opinion, everyone can see, it is observable, self evident, the last move to stage isn't forward.

If JBR never turns the steering, he never stages.

The tire goes from behind the stage beam to in the stage beam. That’s forward movement.

Ok, so what's the final move to stage?

The leading edge of the tire moves forward. I don’t know that “forward roll” is in the rule book.

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Lenny5160:

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:

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Originally posted by Undertaker II:
Hey Mike, You're missing the boat. His last move "to Stage" is forward! Just because his second bulb is not on doesn't mean that he isn't/hasn't staged. What do you make of a guy with a transmission issue that literally backs out of the beams when he applies the transbrake? If he doesn't get red lighted his last motion before the tree comes down isn't forward. Just saying.

No Sir, it's not at all debatable. His last move to stage according to the timing equipment, is to turn the wheel, in order to activate the stage light.

This is not my opinion, everyone can see, it is observable, self evident, the last move to stage isn't forward.

If JBR never turns the steering, he never stages.

The tire goes from behind the stage beam to in the stage beam. That’s forward movement.

Ok, so what's the final move to stage?

The leading edge of the tire moves forward. I don’t know that “forward roll” is in the rule book.

That's a completely rational, legit argument. If the rule doesn't include roll forward.

Good point.

Does everyone on here have a short memory or what. We already hashed this out a couple years ago when he did this at the Million in Vegas. It wasn't well received there.

No excuse for anyone falling for his game at this point in time as it has been so well discussed both on and off line.

As was said he is a very good racer and this is just one of the things he uses to gain any advantage possible. At these big money races every round is important, especially when you get into the money rounds.

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
It's not underhanded or unsportsmanlike if it's accepted.

Truth / Reality is spoken into existence.

That is exactly what I am talking about some do not care as long as they "Win". That may get you the trophy or put you in office but it does not get you any Respect. That is earned and for that you Lose.