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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Aside from the fact that there was no repercussion or penalty for what he did. If he wasn’t sort of a name in the racing world this would have gone a completely different way.

When he posted his apology there were quite a few saying what a class move it was to man up. LOL A person who has class wouldn’t have done that in the first place. None of us are perfect but wow this was way over the line.

I agree totally with you and if he wanted to show some class he would have removed himself from the race.

I have a couple thoughts. Just my opinions.

First, life time ban is kinda silly. Nobody can get in his head and figure what he was thinking. He's an immature kid IMO. I'll get to that next. Now if he had a record of questionable judgement, then yes maybe you don't want him racing at your series.
But seeing him at the race the next day.....yep they screwed up IMO. Now what do they do when it happens again with someone else? Who wants to race at a series that allows this? How do you repair the reputation of the series?

As far as my other thought, I think the things that make him and others his age good money racers, are the source of the problem. Many of these youngsters have no way to afford the equipment to do this on their own...how would they? Some get a ride from family, or someone who wants a winner in their car and sharing winnings. So they have no skin in the game, and no thoughts of what if....I wreck the car....I lose the round...
I don't know the details about this kid, but I suspect he fits this description. So they also lack the maturity to think clearly about big picture consequences. They are at the top of their game mental equity wise, reflexes wise, and eyesight wise. So they are good butts for the seats competition wise. But there is a downside.

Whatever. Give him a spanking, and get on with it. If you make an example out of him, you can be consistent with how you run these deals. Rules for thee, but not for me, doesn't work here.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by "The Bender":
So after this, does anyone else get the feeling that the big dollar bracket races are pretty much a free for all and out of control? I mean basically no tech, no safety equipment enforcement and no consequences for idiotic actions.

Just money hungry promoters saying as long as you pay your entry fee you're good to go.

I haven't attended one, but I'm thinking the Biondo flings might be an exception.

I'm also wondering how long it will be till there is an argument/altercation where guns will be involved......

You're just coming to this conclusion now?

Honestly I haven't really paid attention to bracket racing much for years. I was focused on the TD/TS scene, more specifically the PDRA series.

Now that I am bracket racing again I am paying more attention to what's going on there.

My racing program will consist of local bracket races and that's about it. I might possibly travel two or 300 miles for a bracket race, but it will not be a big dollar race. Too much shady business and touring professionals. I'm sure I would get my ass handed to me anyways.

Well Steve, that's a good way to support local racing as well. I have never been much drawn to the circus of the big money races personally. Going fast was expensive this year, as expected. I have learned, and can do it with keystrokes now. Back to mostly bracket racing and winning local championships as a family.

Some back story

Hunter tried to time Trey out with the auto start by turning the wheel to turn on the stage bulb, then turning the wheel back to turn it off. Activating auto start. Trey knew it happened and bumped on in

After winning the round Trey gave a couple of victory whomps in neutral in the shut down area.

This made hunter so mad that apparently he felt the need to come over in treys lane and make contact. Hunters front left tire in an open wheeled car made contact with the right header and right rear wheel/rim of treys car

Trey stopped on the return road because he didn’t want to get involved in any more drama as he won the round and had a 50K race to still compete in. The car owner came down and found out what happened

The car owner went to the Patton pits to exchange words. Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter. Hunter lied and said his steering wheel came off and that it was an accident.

Hunter then made a post on Facebook essentially laughing at the situation and said his steering “shaft” broke

The next morning hunter owned up to what he did and he himself went over to treys pit to apologize

Rules?? What rules... Called nothing less than
GTM. "Get the money" Called PROFIT. What is going to take for these promoters to *** wake up.

Have one of the promoters son or daughter in a car and someone pulls that. They would be on that like Stink on ***. Don't kid yourself.

Sport is dangerous enough. A stupid move will get you killed.

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:
Some back story

Hunter tried to time Trey out with the auto start by turning the wheel to turn on the stage bulb, then turning the wheel back to turn it off. Activating auto start. Trey knew it happened and bumped on in

After winning the round Trey gave a couple of victory whomps in neutral in the shut down area.

This made hunter so mad that apparently he felt the need to come over in treys lane and make contact. Hunters front left tire in an open wheeled car made contact with the right header and right rear wheel/rim of treys car

Trey stopped on the return road because he didn’t want to get involved in any more drama as he won the round and had a 50K race to still compete in. The car owner came down and found out what happened

The car owner went to the Patton pits to exchange words. Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter. Hunter lied and said his steering wheel came off and that it was an accident.

Hunter then made a post on Facebook essentially laughing at the situation and said his steering “shaft” broke

The next morning hunter owned up to what he did and he himself went over to treys pit to apologize

Wow really? Kid sounds spoiled... The other driver did the right thing! That shows/takes class!
As mentioned above, Peter/Kyle are class acts and it shows. I believe he would have been told to go home and grow up before somebody clocks him for his stupidity.
He’s lucky the other kid didn’t lock the brakes up or panic, could have been ugly and costly...

There’s no Hissy fits in Racing! Sack up and move on !

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:
Some back story

Hunter tried to time Trey out with the auto start by turning the wheel to turn on the stage bulb, then turning the wheel back to turn it off. Activating auto start. Trey knew it happened and bumped on in

After winning the round Trey gave a couple of victory whomps in neutral in the shut down area.

This made hunter so mad that apparently he felt the need to come over in treys lane and make contact. Hunters front left tire in an open wheeled car made contact with the right header and right rear wheel/rim of treys car

Trey stopped on the return road because he didn’t want to get involved in any more drama as he won the round and had a 50K race to still compete in. The car owner came down and found out what happened

The car owner went to the Patton pits to exchange words. Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter. Hunter lied and said his steering wheel came off and that it was an accident.

Hunter then made a post on Facebook essentially laughing at the situation and said his steering “shaft” broke

The next morning hunter owned up to what he did and he himself went over to treys pit to apologize

Wow really? Kid sounds spoiled... The other driver did the right thing! That shows/takes class!
As mentioned above, Peter/Kyle are class acts and it shows. I believe he would have been told to go home and grow up before somebody clocks him for his stupidity.
He’s lucky the other kid didn’t lock the brakes up or panic, could have been ugly and costly...

There’s no Hissy fits in Racing! Sack up and move on !

Veruca Salt.

It's the story of one kid saving every penny to buy into the race vs the kid who's given everything.

You ain't gonna catch Trey with no cheesy staging trick, I street raced with his dad 30 years ago before Trey. Trey grew up at Sunshine in his dads pit. Trey could build a engine or a powerglide in the dark, with no light.

He's as experienced as anyone in the race.

Randy is a class act, he's conservative though, not authoritarian.

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:
Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter.

this says it all and why you'll never see me at this race!

Randy was there to put out a Fire.

That's his job.

Common sense.

Trey showed how to handle Veruca Salt.

So did Randy.

There's a Veruca Salt at just about any race you go.

he didn't put out the fire, he threw gas on it by not throwing his ass out!

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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:
Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter.

this says it all and why you'll never see me at this race!

I will say at the time it was the right move and they were taking hunters word which happened to be a lie. They put out a fire while tempers were high.

Now how it was handled the next day when the truth came out is a different story in my opinion

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
he didn't put out the fire, he threw gas on it by not throwing his ass out!

Trey is there to get paid, he's laughing his ass off by now.

With that being said, how did Randy throw gas on the fire?

He didn't.

Trey is as experienced as anyone, he's seen Veruca Salt before.

Randy is a conservative, not an authoritarian, as you'd like him to be.

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:
Some back story

Hunter tried to time Trey out with the auto start by turning the wheel to turn on the stage bulb, then turning the wheel back to turn it off. Activating auto start. Trey knew it happened and bumped on in

After winning the round Trey gave a couple of victory whomps in neutral in the shut down area.

This made hunter so mad that apparently he felt the need to come over in treys lane and make contact. Hunters front left tire in an open wheeled car made contact with the right header and right rear wheel/rim of treys car

Trey stopped on the return road because he didn’t want to get involved in any more drama as he won the round and had a 50K race to still compete in. The car owner came down and found out what happened

The car owner went to the Patton pits to exchange words. Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter. Hunter lied and said his steering wheel came off and that it was an accident.

Hunter then made a post on Facebook essentially laughing at the situation and said his steering “shaft” broke

The next morning hunter owned up to what he did and he himself went over to treys pit to apologize

sounds to me like criminal charges should be filed, he ran his car into another person's car in a non contact sport with the intent to crash him. No lawyer in the world could lose that case especially with a full admittance of guilt.

His sponsors should also realize they would be on the hook as well. #Brodix #BoButner

they should but nothing will happen, least of which loose his sponsors. tempers were high as they should be! Only by dumb luck did his deliberate actions to wreck his competitor not happen which could have resulted in severe injury or worse.

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Originally posted by TDRacer:

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:
Some back story

Hunter tried to time Trey out with the auto start by turning the wheel to turn on the stage bulb, then turning the wheel back to turn it off. Activating auto start. Trey knew it happened and bumped on in

After winning the round Trey gave a couple of victory whomps in neutral in the shut down area.

This made hunter so mad that apparently he felt the need to come over in treys lane and make contact. Hunters front left tire in an open wheeled car made contact with the right header and right rear wheel/rim of treys car

Trey stopped on the return road because he didn’t want to get involved in any more drama as he won the round and had a 50K race to still compete in. The car owner came down and found out what happened

The car owner went to the Patton pits to exchange words. Randy folk was there along with many other racers to essentially protect hunter. Hunter lied and said his steering wheel came off and that it was an accident.

Hunter then made a post on Facebook essentially laughing at the situation and said his steering “shaft” broke

The next morning hunter owned up to what he did and he himself went over to treys pit to apologize

sounds to me like criminal charges should be filed, he ran his car into another person's car in a non contact sport with the intent to crash him. No lawyer in the world could lose that case especially with a full admittance of guilt.

His sponsors should also realize they would be on the hook as well. #Brodix #BoButner

LOL! Trey ain't gonna sue Veruca Salt!

It would be nice to hear what other promoters have to say about this situation.

I actually agree with Ed. We were planning on running next year before I go from old to ancient but will now wait and see how plays out. I know the other lane driver and am impressed with his self control in such a situation.

An ugly situation but great no injuries or mass damage. Tempers do flare but accountability usually prevents escalation.

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Originally posted by Richard Hammond:
It would be nice to hear what other promoters have to say about this situation.

that will never happen

I like the my steering broke lie Veruca Salt originally told, pretty funny.

I raced with Randy at Sunshine too for many years, knowing Randy, he probably believed it.

People who don't go around lying all the time, typically believe others have the same nature as they do.

After seeing the video, Randy knows better.