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DRR Elite |
Well, the theory is that it would indeed. If the air density gets much better, the engine is limited by running the dots. So it runs the same. If the air gets worse, you are still covered, because your dots are set below what you know it can run. It isn't used to control rpm due to loss of traction. It's for duplicating the rpm at every part of the run regardless of traction, wind (to some extent) or air quality. They were not made illegal because of traction alone. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Pro |
Well that article definitely answered some of my questions. I did notice that Jok stated the big buck events were becoming less popular (2014). That certainly seems to have not continued to be the case. I'd say they were more popular now than ever before. Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Pro |
Gotcha. Thanks to reading that article Richard linked to, I have a much better understanding. Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Pro |
In Bracket Racing, I think traction issues are the bottom of our list of issues to deal with. We need to know where on the track we are and how long it took to get there. So, if you make your combo dead-hook you can have a device that will determine whether you are getting to a pre-determined distance too quickly or too slowly and modify timing to change power to compensate. Sounds like a "Matty Box" doesn't it. If you really want to cheat make something see the tree........... I would rather crash my car and die a nice slow death in a roaring fire than ever cheat to win. I don't even play games at the starting line, though I have seen PLENTY of people try to play them with me. Does not bother me a single bit. I would say the year I was doing chemo at the track was the best year of racing I ever had. I hit the tree almost identically all the time, was amazing. I did leave 300rpm higher due to the slower R/T's caused by that poison, but I always hit it the same (within .01). If only I could have felt the bottom of my left foot I would have been un-stoppable that year! I was afraid to hit the brakes in the top end and sometimes staging was difficult. (Footbraker!) | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
Same as I said earlier, but ole woody pounced all over me, seems it hit a nerve with him, maybe someone pissed in his cereal that morning. Hell - We are getting ready to send an object to the nearest star, it will take 20 years to get there and 4 years for the laser beam to get the pictures back to earth. But no one is smart enough to have a light beam trip a switch. Give me a break. I don't know anyone that I suspect is doing this, all I am saying is that it for sure could be done and if it was the engineer part that trigged woody, you can take that out as it would not be all that hard. Ole Woody probably does not even believe we landed on the moon. | |||
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DRR Pro |
Since no one has responded to this, can I assume it is completely unfeasible? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Elite |
I agree with the possibility. But frankly, the software stuff available, and legal on the market NOW and in cars NOW are where my bigger concern is. There are people who have this ability with the equipment they own that don't even know about it. But as I said before, I don't know personally what the resolution is for these. Accurate to .1, or .005? Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
What exactly are you worried about? Be specific and say what it is you think shouldn't be legal. | |||
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DRR Elite |
I was specific at the top of this page. Not worry frankly. I know that running the dots can be done with products other than the msd that is outlawed. Like several of the engine management ecu's. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Elite |
The best I ever did was when I lucked out and won enough that my fellow racers determined I was cheating, a few actually accused the track of cheating for me, sadly that only lasted a large portion of one year. TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!! Later, Bill Koski | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
So what exactly is illegal about running the dots? | |||
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DRR Elite |
This slew rate/traction control feature was noted as the reason that the MSD boxes that had them were made illegal for bracket racing. I don't have a rule book in front of me and I don't know if it addressed it specifically. But why would they outlaw a product that has it, because it has it, and allow it with other products? That goes against the spirit of what they were trying to accomplish it seems to me. What are you getting at with your questions? Is there something you don't understand, or are you making a point? If you are trying to make a point, please just say it. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Pro |
Some years back there was an outfit in Kalifornia selling a "vehicle reaction time tester", which consisted of a "tree reader" that launches the car off the sensor. The sensor rig was pretty bulky so that it couldn't be hidden....but now I can't find hide nor hair of the device. Anyone else remember seeing that deal?? "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
Just curious as to what other boxes have traction control capabilities. I haven’t researched anything other than what MSD has. | |||
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DRR Elite |
Got ya. I don't know of any ignition only systems with it. But EFI engine management systems are a different animal. I know some folks consider riding the dots different than slew control. They work differently to do the same thing IMO. The last thing I want if for NHRA to come along and start outlawing products. But certainly they could work with the manufacturers to make some assurance or way to prove that certain features are disabled. When the digital 7 msd's came on the market, I bought one with all the features I could find right off since I needed an ignition for a new car anyhow. A few months later, NHRA puts them on the naughty list. So here I am stuck with an illegal box that msd didn't want back. So I put that back as a spare, and bought a new 7 box without the slew. Of course, the digital 7 has proven to be bulletproof for me, and I never needed the spare. That seemed unfair to me. But then I don't know how else they could have handled it. I even asked msd if they could remove the features from my box. I'm guessing that isn't simple and they weren't interested. There are some real grey areas here that ought to be addressed. I think some folks could be exploiting the overall ignorance of products. And some folks could unfairly be accused of cheating for having products with illegal capabilities that they are either not using or are completely unaware of. And again, these are only effective in cheating in theory from my seat in the bleachers. I have never seen anything or anybody say that it can actually control ET accurately enough to be beneficial to bracket racers. I'm not even sure the msd boxes needed to be outlawed. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
I remember the vehicle reaction time tester, but my recollection is that it would measure time between transbrake release and a certain 'G' threshold of vehicle movement. Nothing to do with a tree reading. Tony Leonard | |||
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