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DRR Pro |
Those are some pretty impressive numbers and I think they make a statement. As far as I know, no one has ever had the nerve to suggest there is cheating at a practice tree race. Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Pro |
You can use the Davis Box as an add-on to the Holley system, or simply use their traction control device. Either way, it will be in the Global Folder (which has ALL the tuning params). So, unless someone doesn't datalog the run, and uses a small notebook computer or one of the Holley Touchscreen Displays to swap a "normal" setup into there after a pass, anyone with a laptop and the knowledge of the Holley EFI system could tell there was some "cheating" going on! | |||
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DRR Pro |
Is the Davis Box a "slew rate control"? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Pro |
Yes,Powerful and self-learning | |||
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DRR Pro |
Can it do more than control traction? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
I have never heard of cheating in a practice tree race either. I counted 10 redlights in 51 runs or almost 20% red. Definitely not cheating. | |||
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DRR Pro |
And how do those foul start numbers at practice tree events compare to actual on track performances? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Elite |
To me, this is the area where we have the greatest exposure to rules infractions. So, all we need is someone with a laptop and knowledge of this particular software? How many brands of ecu's with different software can you come up with just off the top of your head? I can think of more than a handful. So tech folks need a laptop with all the different softwares to check this stuff. People have been claiming cheating for decades. But the efi software has come a long way in the past 5. Really it's up to the user to have the determine what features are not legal and for them to have the integrity to not use them. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Pro |
Bucky, I gotta ask. Is any of this software doing anything other than controlling a traction issue? From what I'm reading, it kinda sounds like that is all it is. And if all it is doing is taking away power to control a spin, isn't that going to adversely impact an ET prediction also? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
Woodrow, when you used to say you had a 357 Magnum in your car, I thought that was the engine size. | |||
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DRR Trophy |
Woodrow, any truth to the “story I’ve heard” about you having a big rock in the back of the car with a glued on cellphone antenna on it?? If so care to share the story?? | |||
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DRR Pro |
Yes, it is designed to control a traction issue. The heads-up cars use it. They don't care about running the same ET, just want to get to the finish line before the other lane does! I doubt any track could provide a tech person that could go through each and every EFI system out there to determine if something "funky" in happening inside their ECM..... Then you have people like me that do electronics and software for a living that could make their own stuff that would be virtually undetectable........ I still think the entire race at high-dollar events takes place at the starting line. Most of those cars/dragsters can run within a few thou in the 1/8 pass after pass. The 1/4 is a different story, but still, I would bet the most significant variation in the package round to round occurs at the starting line. | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
Practice tree races are a different animal. You're basically set up to be perfect, particularly in an event like this that was Best 2 out of 3... gives you some wiggle room to be more aggressive. Note that 6 of the 10 reds were -.002 or -.001. "In real life", you'd probably adjust at least another .005 into it, if not .010 or more for bottom bulb or footbrake racing. The last year that I did full-season stats, my reds were 11%. Still too high. I'd like to see it around 6%, but my car isn't where I'd like to be. Made some changes over the winter to try to get it to react better. Real-life green light average is usually .017-.020 for a season. At the Christmas Tree Extravaganza practice tree race in December, I got to Rnd 6 of the Bottom Bulb race, and was runner-up in the Top Bulb race leaving off the bottom. 10.9% red, .011 green light average. I did try leaving off the top once and was .055. LOL Went back to the bottom and was .003, .004, .001, .000. I did have a .040 in the semis where I COMPLETELY failed to let go of the bottom, and just got lucky that the other guy was red. I did the same thing late in a couple of other practice tree races, too. smh... Brain's gettin' rusty. I'm proud of my stats, but the important takeaway is that there are numerous guys that are demonstrably BETTER. There are some incredible talents out there. That's just how our sport has evolved, and the serious level of training that some people do. I highly recommend Luke Bogacki's ThisIsBracketRacing Offseason Practice Tree Challenge. It's a free facebook group. They do two weeks of drills for bottom bulb, and two weeks of drills for top bulb. It WILL make you better. It's done for the season, but you can go back and review any of the drills from this year as well as previous years. www.facebook.com/groups/1639204593011445/ __ Michael Beard - staginglight@gmail.com Staging Light Graphic Design, Printing & Event Marketing | |||
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DRR Pro |
If you designed your own device, could it be capable of more than just controlling traction loss? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
It wasn't a rock. It was a big solid round piece of steel. Underwood glued a cell phone antenna on it. I used to be a people person, but people ruined that. | |||
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DRR Pro |
Michael, my takeaway from that is still that folks are demonstrating an ability to do the same thing in their car that they are doing on a practice tree. Maybe not exactly the same numbers, but close enough make the case for them to be legit in the car, too. I'm definitely going to give that site a look. Hopefully, I can use my own pocket practice tree with those drills. Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Pro |
Woodrow won more races with knowledge and ability than all the others combined could win cheating with the Matty boxes ... fact ...lol | |||
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DRR Elite |
That's already been answered Tom. Yes it is the same software and function. The idea is to map rpm on a normal run, and create targets for rpm for the entire run. And make these targets slightly less than a normal run. So it is always running restricted slightly by the timing. Ideally, the system has enough resolution to repeat within a tight margin....tighter than you could normally see on most competitive cars. This is all theory, but is exactly why the slew rate controllers were outlawed for bracket racing. But frankly, I don't know anyone who has shown how good the resolution is on the slew controllers. It isn't exactly something that those using it want to show off. And not something that those who aren't, want to invest in or be connected to. I thought I remember a contributor here....thought it was Jok, writing an article about slew rate. And I thought a test was to follow. I never saw the follow up. So it exists, and just has to be hidden. But, what a lot don't realize is that the msd's aren't the only ones that have slew rate in their software. I really don't know what can be done to police this. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Pro |
So even the very best of the best of these devices does not compensate for a gust of wind or a sudden change in air density (or any other factor outside of traction), is that correct? Take care. Tom Worthington If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
You mean this article. http://etdragracing.com/magazi...racing-without-rules | |||
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