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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Bucky, I’m talking about felony not for quarters. Misdemeanors would be different. The difference between felony and misdemeanor is is the dollar amount of the crime most times I believe.

Not necessarily true now days. Example if you are running 16 mph over speed limit and make a turn(knowing or not knowing) a cop is comeing after you you are now guilty of speeding to elude which in NC is a felony(use to be bad speeding ticket). The reason it was changed to felony is so a cop chasing a motorcycle can tag the back end sending rider crashing. Then in news report he was chasing a fleeing felon not a guy who ran a stop sign. Last statement from two lawyers who have been lawyers for 37 plus years.Just so happens I have had drivers license same amount of time. LMAO

Yes I realize you are talking money amount.I am just pointing out some felony charges are BS and not a punishment fits the crime situation.

Besides. I brought up question here cpl years ago about what you might look for as far as cheating.Number one comment. there is no cheating and only one worried about it are those not winning. BS IMO but hey if it don't exist why worry about it?

I do have hard time seeing how some guys can go .000 multiple times in one race and never red.Maybe they are just that good. Besides if good cheater they would throw a round in smaller races and only go real good in the big money race. Right?

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Originally posted by wideopen231:

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Bucky, I’m talking about felony not for quarters. Misdemeanors would be different. The difference between felony and misdemeanor is is the dollar amount of the crime most times I believe.

Not necessarily true now days. Example if you are running 16 mph over speed limit and make a turn(knowing or not knowing) a cop is comeing after you you are now guilty of speeding to elude which in NC is a felony(use to be bad speeding ticket). The reason it was changed to felony is so a cop chasing a motorcycle can tag the back end sending rider crashing. Then in news report he was chasing a fleeing felon not a guy who ran a stop sign. Last statement from two lawyers who have been lawyers for 37 plus years.Just so happens I have had drivers license same amount of time. LMAO

That's some of the dumbest BS I've ever read.

Here is my opinion for what it is worth. I do not think cheating is very bad in our sport and most of that is done by losers who are not competitive and need help to be in same league.

Something I have noticed a bad racer claims someone is cheating because others cars are more consistent or reaction times better and more consistent. When you practice more and get better yourself you start to realize that you to can do it and with out cheating. And some racers are just better maybe because they are younger, natural talent, practice harder and more often or just dumb luck. Also better equipment helps to make reaction times and car faster and more consistent. That transbrake solenoid you have had on there for 14 years may be worn out, dirty and sticky. Sidewalls may be gone on your slicks, Chassis may not be set up right or hooking good. Converter may not be right. Any number of things.

Natural ability. I believe we all have some sort of gift or talent and it is different for all. Some can play music great with little or no training. They just have that gift and the more they do it the better they get. Now we can all learn to play music but it is harder for them and takes longer to be top of game. There are some with just the natural ability to hit the tree good and work the finish line. Does not mean we can not do it and it does not mean they are cheating but it comes more natural for some than others.

As we get better our window of performance tightens up and some are just further up the ladder than we are. I know I am much better than I was when I first started but I am nowhere near the best in the game. Same with in any sport from swimming, golf, bowling or what ever. You do not accuse a Bowler of cheating if he bowls a 300 game just because you can only bowl a 150? Why would you assume that just because someone is a better racer than you they are cheating? Maybe they have better stuff and work harder, practice more and earned it. What ever it is not earned here on discussion boards it is earned in the shop, on the practice tree and on the track racing. The more you do it the better you get.

With that said every large money race should have good tech for those in big money and stiff penalties if they are cheating and caught. Because it is stealing and it involves a lot of money.

Some of this IMO has to do with hearsay as well. You hear a rumor that a driver doesn't look over, and that he has had .00x packages every round, and what have you. But when you look at data when it is available, you see a little different story play out. There are rounds where the package is much larger because the driver backed into the room available. There were some reaction times that were not .00x's...but you don't hear about those rounds. There was a lucky round, which we often have on a day that we are doing well. We all have a day where we string along a bunch of great passes. Those days may or may not translate into a win that day.

We had a guy that raced at our track for a while and then another local track. Every time you talked to him, he was focused on his assumption that other people were cheating. I was the focus of his accusations one year that I was doing particularly well. Years later he was venting his frustrations to me, perhaps forgetting that I was in his cross hairs years before when I really had my program together. I listened for a few minutes and heard his claims. Finally I stopped him, and asked what his performance numbers had been that day. What were the reaction times? Did he have some statistical backing that showed something very suspicious about other drivers? Finally I asked, if the only thing that made someone a cheater in his eyes, was their level of success. He stammered around with that one for a while and finally stomped off. I guess he really just wanted a sounding board. He had moved from track to track based on the amount of "cheaters" he saw.

I have not had the commitment in the last decade to winning races that I once had, and my performance shows it. I win some rounds regularly, pick up a race every couple years, and have fun. But in no way do I link my lack of wins to other people cheating me out of them. I own every round I lose, or win. I prepare the car and the driver. If I ever see anything that convinces me funny business is going on, I will either approach the racer or report it. Trying to start a mob generally helps nobody.

Another thing I see more today than ever is people who cannot accept that others, especially those who make the calls, do not agree with them. And they simply cannot let it go. I have heard people carry on for years that finish line racing is cheating. And buying back is cheating. And delay boxes are cheating. They will pull on the ear of track management, and spew their frustration wherever they can, and on whoever will listen. Not getting our way does not make the rest of the world wrong. It seems that this is a hard pill for many today to swallow.

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Another thing I see more today than ever is people who cannot accept that others, especially those who make the calls, do not agree with them. And they simply cannot let it go. I have heard people carry on for years that finish line racing is cheating. And buying back is cheating. And delay boxes are cheating. They will pull on the ear of track management, and spew their frustration wherever they can, and on whoever will listen. Not getting our way does not make the rest of the world wrong. It seems that this is a hard pill for many today to swallow.

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Like the ELECTION? Lmao!

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Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Another thing I see more today than ever is people who cannot accept that others, especially those who make the calls, do not agree with them. And they simply cannot let it go. I have heard people carry on for years that finish line racing is cheating. And buying back is cheating. And delay boxes are cheating. They will pull on the ear of track management, and spew their frustration wherever they can, and on whoever will listen. Not getting our way does not make the rest of the world wrong. It seems that this is a hard pill for many today to swallow.

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Like the ELECTION? Lmao!

Good point!

At some point, and back to the original topic: Do we want the public law sticking their noses into our sport and the details?

If there was a cheating device that made it possible to get a .005 package on every run,there is no GUARANTEE that you would win a round all year.

Winners don't always cheat and cheaters don't always win.

For those of you who truly believe that cheating is going on, think of this...….
If there is cheating, then more than one car is doing it. But as we know, only one car can win. Can you imagine the guys that are cheating and still cannot win???????????
That, my friends, is the true definition of a loser!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Bucky:
At some point, and back to the original topic: Do we want the public law sticking their noses into our sport and the details?

He didn't get a fine/arrest for cheating in a finishing tournament...he violated a local penal code related to wildlife sustainability.

I'd imagine it's similar to those dragstrips that require mufflers. Local code sets the standard.

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Originally posted by Mike MacBrair:
But as we know, only one car can win. Can you imagine the guys that are cheating and still cannot win???????????
That, my friends, is the true definition of a loser!!!!!!!!

Once again like elections........

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Originally posted by 442OLDS:
If there was a cheating device that made it possible to get a .005 package on every run,there is no GUARANTEE that you would win a round all year.

Winners don't always cheat and cheaters don't always win.

Ain't that the truth! How many times have we seen a .005 package get beat by a better package!