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Explain why Connolly was run off the property.When did this happen and why? Why did quite a few SC racers have to leave the track?

Late 90's on both. All cases due to not permitting a tech inspection.

Really?? How about something that's not older than say 2010. Can anyone post something along those lines.

OK, just a few short years ago we had a local racer get caught using a delay box in his NO ELECTRONICS class, maybe 2014 or so......

He never went many rounds in Footbrake, even cheating!

He knew what he was doing was wrong yet proceeded to do so. Why do some people need to cheat to win? What did you honestly get by "winning"?

I don't think a week goes by without a bunch of cheating at Nascar.

They don't seem to ever do anything about it.

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OK, just a few short years ago we had a local racer get caught using a delay box in his NO ELECTRONICS class, maybe 2014 or so......

He never went many rounds in Footbrake, even cheating!

He knew what he was doing was wrong yet proceeded to do so. Why do some people need to cheat to win? What did you honestly get by "winning"?

Everybody keeps saying how important the payout is, so the answer is $$$$$$$. I only do it for enjoyment, but I don't know many others left who would do it only for that. Take care. Tom Worthington

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
Suspended from competition I can see,even participation. Felony charge BS. The word felon carries too many unjustified punishment with it.
What you cheating at fishing tournament means you can't have a gun or maybe even vote?

If you steal $10,000 from a business it’s a felony. Why is this different? If you want to carry and vote don’t commit a felony. Simple.

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If you steal $10,000 from a business it’s a felony.

There should be COLA adjustment! You could ONLY carry $10k in cash before you had to declare it when entering the country decades ago, but it's never been adjusted for today's worthless money. Automatically tightens the noose.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
Suspended from competition I can see,even participation. Felony charge BS. The word felon carries too many unjustified punishment with it.
What you cheating at fishing tournament means you can't have a gun or maybe even vote?

If you steal $10,000 from a business it’s a felony. Why is this different? If you want to carry and vote don’t commit a felony. Simple.

Are you insane??? I hate bad guys as much as anybody, BUT....the guy trim a fraction of an inch off a fish's tail for Christs sake.....

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
Suspended from competition I can see,even participation. Felony charge BS. The word felon carries too many unjustified punishment with it.
What you cheating at fishing tournament means you can't have a gun or maybe even vote?

If you steal $10,000 from a business it’s a felony. Why is this different? If you want to carry and vote don’t commit a felony. Simple.

Are you insane??? I hate bad guys as much as anybody, BUT....the guy trim a fraction of an inch off a fish's tail for Christs sake.....

The degree that you cheat is what matters and not that you did. Got it.

And no I’m not crazy. My mom had me tested.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by imakehp:

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
Suspended from competition I can see,even participation. Felony charge BS. The word felon carries too many unjustified punishment with it.
What you cheating at fishing tournament means you can't have a gun or maybe even vote?

If you steal $10,000 from a business it’s a felony. Why is this different? If you want to carry and vote don’t commit a felony. Simple.

Are you insane??? I hate bad guys as much as anybody, BUT....the guy trim a fraction of an inch off a fish's tail for Christs sake.....

The degree that you cheat is what matters and not that you did. Got it.

And no I’m not crazy. My mom had me tested.

Well, they both matter. And let's be realistic. If you are caught cheating at a private card game playing for quarters, or at a test and tune day competing for a trophy, it ought to be a different degree of severity than getting caught cheating at a $10k race shouldn't it? As far as I am concerned, the law ought to have no bearing on cheating at a private party drag race. Open a person up to law suits? Sure. But what should cheating at a drag race have to do with your right to own firearms?

Bucky, I’m talking about felony not for quarters. Misdemeanors would be different. The difference between felony and misdemeanor is is the dollar amount of the crime most times I believe.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by imakehp:

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
Suspended from competition I can see,even participation. Felony charge BS. The word felon carries too many unjustified punishment with it.
What you cheating at fishing tournament means you can't have a gun or maybe even vote?

If you steal $10,000 from a business it’s a felony. Why is this different? If you want to carry and vote don’t commit a felony. Simple.

Are you insane??? I hate bad guys as much as anybody, BUT....the guy trim a fraction of an inch off a fish's tail for Christs sake.....

The degree that you cheat is what matters and not that you did. Got it.

And no I’m not crazy. My mom had me tested.

Well, they both matter. And let's be realistic. If you are caught cheating at a private card game playing for quarters, or at a test and tune day competing for a trophy, it ought to be a different degree of severity than getting caught cheating at a $10k race shouldn't it? As far as I am concerned, the law ought to have no bearing on cheating at a private party drag race. Open a person up to law suits? Sure. But what should cheating at a drag race have to do with your right to own firearms?

The cheating equals stealing of money in this case, or at a private drag race. If someone went in the tower at a big racing event and robbed it as they ran off with the cash then we would all recognize it as stealing... is this much different than that? Stealing the money of other people by cheating instead walking up and robbing someone for it? Assuming no parties are harmed in either situation of course.

Thank you! Those guys that Richard Hammond wants to write off as history stole a brinks truck full of money from honest racers and got away with it. I don't think the money they left on the table at Moroso ever was claimed after the hasty exit.....just don't hide your head in the sand.

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
Thank you! Those guys that Richard Hammond wants to write off as history stole a brinks truck full of money from honest racers and got away with it. I don't think the money they left on the table at Moroso ever was claimed after the hasty exit.....just don't hide your head in the sand.

I don’t have my head buried in the sand. Those guys were caught and suspended. And most of them are back racing and winning. What amazes me is that every time a cheating thread comes up the only thing that’s mentioned was what happened at the 5 day at moroso 20 years ago. I hear all kinds of lame excuses. I asked a simple question. What do you think is being used to cheat in the last 5 years? And if you think someone’s cheating then protest them.

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Originally posted by Richard Hammond:

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
Thank you! Those guys that Richard Hammond wants to write off as history stole a brinks truck full of money from honest racers and got away with it. I don't think the money they left on the table at Moroso ever was claimed after the hasty exit.....just don't hide your head in the sand.

I don’t have my head buried in the sand. Those guys were caught and suspended. And most of them are back racing and winning. What amazes me is that every time a cheating thread comes up the only thing that’s mentioned was what happened at the 5 day at moroso 20 years ago. I hear all kinds of lame excuses. I asked a simple question. What do you think is being used to cheat in the last 5 years? And if you think someone’s cheating then protest them.

To be honest, it may sound crazy... but I don’t know how much cheating would truly help in our sport where guys are laying down .00X packages in the other lane without cheating.

The fact does remain though that cheating and scandals exist in all fashions of life. It’s a natural occurring thing that is dealt with everywhere. In our sport with the large amount of money on the line, I would find it hard to believe there is not anyone out there cheating. People would rob their mom of her last dollar... are we going to be so nieve as to believe no one would try to cheat to 500K?

What devices are people using? I don’t know, but I also don’t know how most crooks do the things they do.

I have to agree that we don’t need to burry our head in the sand.... I also don’t think 99 percent of racers are cheaters and I also don’t think cheating would even help that much.... but let’s not all act like it has not occurred at all since racers were caught 20 years ago

I've been in some sort of racing for over 40 years. All of my life actually. There is an old saying. Those who cheat are those who eat.

It's not so much cheating as it is bending the rules just enough to gain an advantage, yet not quite to the "cheat" point. Do I? No. Never have, probably one reason I have never been as great as I'd like to have been...but at least I can say I've been successful withOUT breaking the rules. That also applies to fishing tournaments, by the way.

Define cheating. If a track outlaws an ignition box, but never checks anyone, is it cheating? Plenty of legal options that are far better than cheats of 25 yrs ago. Half the people I hear that gossip about what-if cheaters would benefit from putting half that effort to their own program.

If the vocal majority were that concerned, I think a better option would be trying to separate the rules of pro and super pro much further than just a delay box.

With every driver aid a class adds, it becomes less about the essence of drag racing and more about who can use a driver aid better. But that's just my opinion, which noone asked for.

It ain’t cheating till you get caught! How’s that for a definition.

A39 I have always thought that it was inovation until they say it is illegal. And yes there are entirely to many driver aids in the sport today. You can just about leave the driver home.

If I was going to cheat,I would invent a device that would cause my opponent to go .00X red.

When you talk about cheating,you have to think outside of the box.

Time AND RPM can now be a function of the same device. "Cheating" is no longer necessary.