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All I know is a 80oz. Jug of pine-sol at Home Depot is $15 d a m n dollars……

Well, it's your damn dollars that are the problem. Interest rates are slated to come down so the inflation drum continues to beat. Better buy all you can at $15!

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:

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All I know is a 80oz. Jug of pine-sol at Home Depot is $15 d a m n dollars……

Well, it's your damn dollars that are the problem. Interest rates are slated to come down so the inflation drum continues to beat. Better buy all you can at $15!

Yes Trump did have deficit spending. And it increased moderately year after year until Covid. 2020 was big. Maybe needed since our economy and the worlds was in risk of collapse. But realize too if regular spending remained constant, the interest on debt would push overall deficit spending up further each year. Remember too what the spending was on. Pre Covid military spending was high. One of the only things I support the federal government spending money on. I don’t fully defend deficit spending. But most was spurred by the two years he had of Democrat Congress.

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Yes Trump did have deficit spending. And it increased moderately year after year until Covid. 2020 was big. Maybe needed since our economy and the worlds was in risk of collapse. But realize too if regular spending remained constant, the interest on debt would push overall deficit spending up further each year. Remember too what the spending was on. Pre Covid military spending was high. One of the only things I support the federal government spending money on. I don’t fully defend deficit spending. But most was spurred by the two years he had of Democrat Congress.

The deficit increased MORE in trumps first 3 years (before Covid) than it did under Obamas last terms first 3 years

Again, I state that I voted for Trump last time and will vote for him again. However, my support doesn’t change what actually happened

I can also say the national debt is more complicated than just the president, but again doesn’t change the basic comparison we can do.

Our Federal deficit is a very big problem that nobody wants to talk about. We now have a deficit that is more than GNP Gross National Product so if every single person put every penny they made for a full year into paying it off we still would not have enough to pay that Debt. They have ran up a credit card bill we can not pay and it may actually put us into a DEPRESSION. We need to talk about and better do something about it, that is like making $250,000 a year and having a $300,000 high interest Credit Card debt. You are not going to make it.

As for the Deficit under Trump you have to consider that that does not change overnight. We were and still are paying through the nose for ObamaCare and we may never get completely out of that mess. Biden has spent trillions on the "Inflation Reduction Act" which he said the other day has nothing to do with reducing Inflation it is a Global Warming bill. We are stuck paying for that for many years to come.

These "Asylum Seekers" Biden and Kamala have brought in by the Millions are costing us around 50 BILLION a year and it will continue for years to come. Before when an Illegal Alien came across the Border they did not get much. When Biden brings them in as "Asylum Seekers" they get FREE HOUSING, Free food, FREE HealthCare, Free phones and $3,000 a Month Social Security. We do not get that. They said our AVERAGE Social Security payment is $1300 a month, yet they get $3,000 a month and have not put anything into the system? How long can that last?
And they are on the fast track to become Citizens and VOTE. Which is why Biden and Kamala have done it. Plain and simple they are buying votes and in a Country so evenly divided that may be the difference.

Trumps plan his first term was to get most everyone off of the Government payroll Welfare etc and get our population working and paying Taxes. I think he was doing a good job of that until Covid was released. That cost us millions of lives and TRILLIONS of dollars. What do we know about Covid? We know it was paid for by Obama administration with Dr. Fauchi and the NIH in cooperation with China. We know it got out in an Election year when Trump seemed to be unbeatable. In January when it was released Trump had record low unemployment numbers in all categories, Inflation was way down, Gas prices were around $2 a gallon and people were doing much better than they are now. Democrat designed Covid changed all that. We can argue if it was released on purpose or accidentally but fact remains that Democrats funded it and were working with our enemy on it and it got out somehow. We know the Democrats tried and still do try to blame it on Trump but it was bought and paid for be Democrats working with China. Do not forget that.

American born workers jobs are down 1.3 million people and most all new jobs (635 Thousand) are to Foreign born workers. Also many of the new jobs are Government jobs which means they are living off of our taxes and not helping our Deficit. Full time jobs are down 438 Thousand for August and Part time jobs are up 527 thousand so many are losing their full time jobs and having to get part time. Manufacturing jobs here has lost MILLIONS since 2021. Losing millions of Manufacturing jobs and creating millions of Government jobs raises the deficit and makes our Government bigger and more powerful.

Yes, Deficit is a problem and yes it did grow under Trump but I believe Trump was going about it right way to get people working and off Welfare and put them in workforce paying Taxes and contributing to society. That is something that can not be fixed overnight and the bills Biden has rang up we will be costing us for many years. Biden has greatly increased the chances of a Third World War and he has reduced our Military spending to dangerous levels. Who ever takes over needs to spend some money on Defense or we will be in worse trouble.

I can appreciate many who comment on the NATIONAL DEBT. Myself, I have always put the debt in the same category of money owed to loan sharks. We owe it and they can't all come after it without killing the cow. Then who do they come after, as it would then probably wreck their economy. Nevertheless, the debt can't be blamed on each president, although most is from their suggestions and their legislature. As with racing, sometimes we put off that shiny object until we can afford it. Not the government way!!!
Look at the campaign websites of both candidates. Lots of promises and ideas. Unfortunately, the cost of implementing these come out of our pockets (taxes). something I don't mind provided I see a return on my investment. (Most dragracers don't see it that way)
I can go on and on about the Nations spending, but I see the day coming when we have to pay the piper. Hopefully, some will wake up and not destroy this great Nation we have to live in and not have it available for our children and grandchildren.
I had a 4th grade teacher in the early 60"s that told a bunch of knotheads, there will not be another world war, but control will be taken by control of the currency. At 70, I see what she said coming.

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

I can also say the national debt is more complicated than just the president, but again doesn’t change the basic comparison we can do.

Under Biden-Harris Administration the national debt is on pace to exceed Trump’s one-term debt accumulation by the end of their current term, Jan. 20, 2025. During their first three years, Biden-Harris already accumulated $6.32 trillion in debt. For their final year, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has projected a deficit of $1.582 trillion. Add those two figures together and you get $7.902 trillion as Biden-Harris four-year total.

So, yes it does change the basic comparison we can do.

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

I can also say the national debt is more complicated than just the president, but again doesn’t change the basic comparison we can do.

Under Biden-Harris Administration the national debt is on pace to exceed Trump’s one-term debt accumulation by the end of their current term, Jan. 20, 2025. During their first three years, Biden-Harris already accumulated $6.32 trillion in debt. For their final year, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has projected a deficit of $1.582 trillion. Add those two figures together and you get $7.902 trillion as Biden-Harris four-year total.

So, yes it does change the basic comparison we can do.

I didn’t compare Trump to the current Biden-Harris administration. I compared it to OBAMA’s second term.

Fact is, Trump had a spending problem and increased the deficit just like a democrat. It’s ok to support Trump and realize everything he did wasn’t perfect.

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

I can also say the national debt is more complicated than just the president, but again doesn’t change the basic comparison we can do.

Under Biden-Harris Administration the national debt is on pace to exceed Trump’s one-term debt accumulation by the end of their current term, Jan. 20, 2025. During their first three years, Biden-Harris already accumulated $6.32 trillion in debt. For their final year, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has projected a deficit of $1.582 trillion. Add those two figures together and you get $7.902 trillion as Biden-Harris four-year total.

So, yes it does change the basic comparison we can do.

I didn’t compare Trump to the current Biden-Harris administration. I compared it to OBAMA’s second term.

Fact is, Trump had a spending problem and increased the deficit just like a democrat. It’s ok to support Trump and realize everything he did wasn’t perfect .

You're dead on with that but good luck getting many to understand let alone agree. I can't stand the man but I voted for him and will do so again because I believe his policies to be better but he did spend like the people he said he would get rid of.

It's been a lot of years since there was a fiscal conservative in the oval office.

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It's been a lot of years since there was a fiscal conservative in the oval office.

Calvin Coolidge FTW!

Ran ac ross another example today.

I was looking up some patch panels for my 69 Panel truck. I have older catalog and was totaling cost. Figured be some higher. Well at $60 piece (4 years ago) now is $115,a $25 is now $48. Not dbl unless you figure in tax on the increase then yes double the price. About as bad is shipping. Nothing big or heavy and 500 free shipping on all but big freight which none is. Total cost 730 bucks,so much for free shipping over 500 which original was 503. I mean damn near 50% for shipping.

Doing bills this morning, a small break in the clouds appeared. My natural gas bill went from $2.85 a therm to $2.50 a therm and power went from $.18 per kwh to $.14 for the second month in a row. Don't know how long it will stay that way, but every little bit helps.

Its election time--got to get those energy costs down to get your vote. Why couldn't they do it for the last 3 1/2 years?

just like gas is cheaper now. Lets not for get that biden just bought 6million barrels with our tax dollars to replace the ones he has dumped into supply line to lower price a few times so he would not look as stupid as we all know his shutting pipeline was.

Funny I thought our reserves where for time of dire need. You know somethi8ng like a war that cuts into supply line. which the pipeline would have been huge for that too.

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Its election time--got to get those energy costs down to get your vote. Why couldn't they do it for the last 3 1/2 years?

It is "Election" time, they lowered the Interest rate today .5% and the word is it was done to help Democrats stay in power.

Teamsters Members choose Trump over Kamala by 58% yet leadership refused to endorse Trump. Kamala only got 31% in the Teamsters polls.

The Unions always support Democrats so it sounds like a win for Trump? Nope the Unions will still give MILLIONS of Union Dues money to Democrats.

The Teamsters Rank and File support Trump but their Union dues goes to Kamala........

One it sounds like time for Union member to clean their own house some.

I would like to ask Curtis to tell me what it is about Trump you can not stand.If like pm works.

As hard as it is for me I will not even dispute comments that I disagree with. All know that almost as hard for me as some former members. Just curious.