Frank,

The whole system is that way. Being in construction and a not typical GC. I work my share and do more than most any other GC I know. In this business the loess you work the more you make. Others who do nothing but hire workers are making a killing while the guys working make enough to get by. My problem too stupid or too set in ways of quality workmanship trumps easy money. If near as smart as I think I am I would be hiring every piece of job out and sitting back and watching.

Seeing how backwards things are and getting more so is just amazing and not in good way. Seems those who work hardest are going back more than forwards and those sitting on ass or rocketing ahead.

non economic example of backwards just on Newsmax
Military guy speaks about his religious objection to lgbtq and is penalized. Will bet in reverse it would result in promotion.

Whole damn world is backwards. Makes me glad never had kids to live threw what is coming.

Bob brought up the National Debt and that is very serious and nobody seems to be talking about it.

The Great Depression will not be a **** in a 50 MPH wind with what is coming. Our Grandparents struggled bad during that Depression but most everyone then had 20 acres, a few cows, horses, chickens and a garden. They did not have much money but survived and fed their children. Now every thing is different, maybe 90% of the people live in the city, houses or apartments. You could not have pig, chickens and cattle to feed your family. Even if you could you could not protect them from others trying to feed their family's. Our Grandparents did not have air conditioning and crime was not a problem. If you could not afford air conditioning do you think you could leave windows open all the time now? If there was no jobs how could you feed your family now? If we go into a real Depression what are you going to do? There are some that are saying 90% of the population would be dead in one year from violence of people stealing or trying to protect what is theirs.

Under the Ballsack Obama our Deficit doubled and with ObamaCare and other programs he set in place permanent debt increases. He spent money for future generations to come.

How did we get into the first Depression? Simple. We had a Stock market and stocks were bought and sold on the market. The stock represents the businesses but it is just paper. Typically to buy a business it is 4 to 5 times the annual sales is the value of that company. So in simple terms in 1925 if you did $50,000 a year in sales for someone to buy that company would be around $200,000 to $250,000. With the stock market being bought and sold on paper they ended up with a company's that had millions of dollars in stocks out on them but the actual value was still maybe $250,000 and the bottom fell out. The company was not worth what is owed on it and it was basically useless.

Our National Debt is the 1929 stock market. At some point very soon the World will realize we have a debt we can never pay and the bottom WILL FALL OUT.

When that happens what are you going to do? how will you feed your family? You not worried, you make good money selling new cars. How many cars you going to sell in a depression? How many cars they going to be building in a real Depression? Every single job in America will be hurt in some way during a Depression. Air conditioning service guy, you think your job is safe if nobody has any money? Nope. Farmers? Nope, how you think they are going to be able to afford $1100 a day in Diesel to farm the fields?

The only job that will still be safe is POLITICIANS that got us into it.

The bottom will fall out it is just a question of when, not if. I think we are past getting it back down. One of the things Trump said when he first ran was he wanted to get everyone back to work, paying taxes and cutting money going out to bring Deficit down. I believe he was doing that right up until the Democrats Covid got out.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
Bob brought up the National Debt and that is very serious and nobody seems to be talking about it.

The Great Depression will not be a **** in a 50 MPH wind with what is coming. Our Grandparents struggled bad during that Depression but most everyone then had 20 acres, a few cows, horses, chickens and a garden. They did not have much money but survived and fed their children. Now every thing is different, maybe 90% of the people live in the city, houses or apartments. You could not have pig, chickens and cattle to feed your family. Even if you could you could not protect them from others trying to feed their family's. Our Grandparents did not have air conditioning and crime was not a problem. If you could not afford air conditioning do you think you could leave windows open all the time now? If there was no jobs how could you feed your family now? If we go into a real Depression what are you going to do? There are some that are saying 90% of the population would be dead in one year from violence of people stealing or trying to protect what is theirs.

Under the Ballsack Obama our Deficit doubled and with ObamaCare and other programs he set in place permanent debt increases. He spent money for future generations to come.

How did we get into the first Depression? Simple. We had a Stock market and stocks were bought and sold on the market. The stock represents the businesses but it is just paper. Typically to buy a business it is 4 to 5 times the annual sales is the value of that company. So in simple terms in 1925 if you did $50,000 a year in sales for someone to buy that company would be around $200,000 to $250,000. With the stock market being bought and sold on paper they ended up with a company's that had millions of dollars in stocks out on them but the actual value was still maybe $250,000 and the bottom fell out. The company was not worth what is owed on it and it was basically useless.

Our National Debt is the 1929 stock market. At some point very soon the World will realize we have a debt we can never pay and the bottom WILL FALL OUT.

When that happens what are you going to do? how will you feed your family? You not worried, you make good money selling new cars. How many cars you going to sell in a depression? How many cars they going to be building in a real Depression? Every single job in America will be hurt in some way during a Depression. Air conditioning service guy, you think your job is safe if nobody has any money? Nope. Farmers? Nope, how you think they are going to be able to afford $1100 a day in Diesel to farm the fields?

The only job that will still be safe is POLITICIANS that got us into it.

The bottom will fall out it is just a question of when, not if. I think we are past getting it back down. One of the things Trump said when he first ran was he wanted to get everyone back to work, paying taxes and cutting money going out to bring Deficit down. I believe he was doing that right up until the Democrats Covid got out.

LIKE!
Same thing happened to Venezuela. Same thing the LEFT is trying to pull here!

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Biggest slavery program in History is welfare. The government inslaved more than slavery b4 1865 ever did.

Made it too easy to get free food, money and housing! They become dependent on the left government and that is their agenda for all!

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At some point very soon the World will realize we have a debt we can never pay and the bottom WILL FALL OUT.

That bottom will be when the dollar is no longer the worlds reserve currency. The US is forever (ever since WWII) putting "economic sanctions" on this country or that country to punish them. When the shoe is on the other foot China will deal with us as harshly as we dealt with others. When we can no longer print dollars to buy what ever we want, the other shoe will hit the floor... over night.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:

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At some point very soon the World will realize we have a debt we can never pay and the bottom WILL FALL OUT.

That bottom will be when the dollar is no longer the worlds reserve currency. The US is forever (ever since WWII) putting "economic sanctions" on this country or that country to punish them. When the shoe is on the other foot China will deal with us as harshly as we dealt with others. When we can no longer print dollars to buy what ever we want, the other shoe will hit the floor... over night.

You are right. Barrels of oil are traded on the US Dollar. They are talking about changing it to Chinese Yen, should they do that it would be very bad for America. Contrary to popular belief China does NOT want us to go into a Depression because they would lose BILLIONS of dollars. Like ticks on a dog if they suck it dry they to will suffer. They realize that so they are investing in South America, Africa and Europe to expand their base and influence.

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One of the things Trump said when he first ran was he wanted to get everyone back to work, paying taxes and cutting money going out to bring Deficit down. I believe he was doing that right up until the Democrats Covid got out.

WHAT? The deficit skyrocketed every year under Trump, long before covid. It's unbelievable how people can (RIGHTLY!) call out the shockingly irresponsible spending of the left, but somehow manage to completely memory-hole our side's spending as if it never happened. Trump had a lot of policies with positive results, but he was absolutely HORRIBLE on spending. Trump made a deal with Nancy Pelosi to suspend the debt ceiling and eliminate budget caps so they could ALL spend EVEN MORE. Ironically, this just popped up in my FB Memories today.




In 2016, Trump literally claimed that he would "eliminate the national debt in 8 years". Obviously, that's ludicrous, so let's just assume he meant the deficit, even though he specifically referenced the $19 Trillion national debt of the time. Instead, he presided over a 68% INCREASE in the annual deficit, over a three year period BEFORE covid, reaching nearly $1 Trillion ($984 Billion)

CBO Fiscal Year Budget Review

We're on track to be spending over $1 Trillion just in INTEREST on the national debt by 2026. Apparently politicians can't think of anything else we could be doing with $1 Trillion besides lighting it on fire. They've not only been ignoring the problem for decades, they've been throwing gas on the fire. No one has any interest in even TRYING to even slow the growth at this point.

FY2019 needs to become the new 'baseline budget'. Round it up to $4.5 Trillion in spending, just for simplicity. Projected federal revenue for FY2025 is just under $5.5 Trillion. Now, instead of ADDING $1.5-1.8 Trillion to the debt every year (because the current morons took advantage of "the new normal" and are EVEN WORSE on spending), you have a $1 Trillion surplus, annually. Even at THAT, we're looking at over 35 years just to get back to ground zero.

"But everything's more expensive now! How will the government ever pay for everything?" First off, it's NOT YOUR &^%*ING JOB to pay for everything. PRIORITIZE. Tighten your belt like the rest of us, Government. YOU caused this mess, Government. Suck it up, buttercup.

The other thing we need to do is return the appropriations process to regular order, meaning 12 separate appropriations bills, not "Continuing Resolutions" and not take it or leave it "Omnibus" bills.

Pretty good start wo0uld be shut down free everything. Shut down big daddy program for rest of the world. Money given away to Iran(of all people) Ukraine and few dozen others woul make good dent in deficit. Cutting the pork out of 99% of the bills passed. Can the green deal scam. Drill like hell. Tax incentives for new business based in US hiring Americans. Open the return gate to South America. Higher import rate for companies based out of country selling in the country.

Would not fix everything but be damn good start.Will not happen unless drain swamp.Not slow drain. A total dump and start over.

While 100% Trumper nobody can fix it w/o congress and Senate going along. Does not have to be all one party either. Nothing ever happens when either controls all 3. Just need the impossible fairytale of majority of honest politicians. Hell I have better chance of winning pwoerball and mega same week.

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One of the things Trump said when he first ran was he wanted to get everyone back to work, paying taxes and cutting money going out to bring Deficit down. I believe he was doing that right up until the Democrats Covid got out.

WHAT? The deficit skyrocketed every year under Trump, long before covid. It's unbelievable how people can (RIGHTLY!) call out the shockingly irresponsible spending of the left, but somehow manage to completely memory-hole our side's spending as if it never happened. Trump had a lot of policies with positive results, but he was absolutely HORRIBLE on spending. Trump made a deal with Nancy Pelosi to suspend the debt ceiling and eliminate budget caps so they could ALL spend EVEN MORE. Ironically, this just popped up in my FB Memories today.




In 2016, Trump literally claimed that he would "eliminate the national debt in 8 years". Obviously, that's ludicrous, so let's just assume he meant the deficit, even though he specifically referenced the $19 Trillion national debt of the time. Instead, he presided over a 68% INCREASE in the annual deficit, over a three year period BEFORE covid, reaching nearly $1 Trillion ($984 Billion)

CBO Fiscal Year Budget Review

We're on track to be spending over $1 Trillion just in INTEREST on the national debt by 2026. Apparently politicians can't think of anything else we could be doing with $1 Trillion besides lighting it on fire. They've not only been ignoring the problem for decades, they've been throwing gas on the fire. No one has any interest in even TRYING to even slow the growth at this point.

FY2019 needs to become the new 'baseline budget'. Round it up to $4.5 Trillion in spending, just for simplicity. Projected federal revenue for FY2025 is just under $5.5 Trillion. Now, instead of ADDING $1.5-1.8 Trillion to the debt every year (because the current morons took advantage of "the new normal" and are EVEN WORSE on spending), you have a $1 Trillion surplus, annually. Even at THAT, we're looking at over 35 years just to get back to ground zero.

"But everything's more expensive now! How will the government ever pay for everything?" First off, it's NOT YOUR &^%*ING JOB to pay for everything. PRIORITIZE. Tighten your belt like the rest of us, Government. YOU caused this mess, Government. Suck it up, buttercup.

The other thing we need to do is return the appropriations process to regular order, meaning 12 separate appropriations bills, not "Continuing Resolutions" and not take it or leave it "Omnibus" bills.

Let’s also not forget that everyone said trumps tariffs would lead to inflation.

I voted for Trump and will vote for him again, but the tariffs and increased spending have contributed to inflation

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

Let’s also not forget that everyone said trumps tariffs would lead to inflation.

I voted for Trump and will vote for him again, but the tariffs and increased spending have contributed to inflation

Trumps tariffs?
I guess you don't know that Biden keep them...

How tariffs compare in the Biden and Trump eras

https://www.marketplace.org/20...iden-and-trump-eras/


Why Biden is keeping Trump’s China tariffs in place

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/0...en-policy/index.html

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Originally posted by Trans Lady:

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

Let’s also not forget that everyone said trumps tariffs would lead to inflation.

I voted for Trump and will vote for him again, but the tariffs and increased spending have contributed to inflation

Trumps tariffs?
I guess you don't know that Biden keep them...

How tariffs compare in the Biden and Trump eras

https://www.marketplace.org/20...iden-and-trump-eras/


Why Biden is keeping Trump’s China tariffs in place

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/0...en-policy/index.html

I know this, but it doesn’t change the fact that trump implemented something that contributed to inflation. Again, I voted for Trump and will vote for Trump again.

I was working with Turkey, Italy, South Korea and China. What many of you do not understand is how our Federal Tax system works. It punishes American businesses and workers while giving a FREE RIDE to Imports. The Tax load on American made products is 50% or more of total cost. Plus the cost of goods and supplies to build your product have a huge tax load built in to cost of goods.
Imports pay NO TAXES until Trump put some tariffs on some goods. Those Tariffs are on the wholesale cost and just do not effect end user cost much. Trust me I know but if it makes them feel good like they are doing something so be it.
Now Biden has put a 100% Tariff on Electric cars from China and that will have some effect.
For the most part everything made in China pays no Taxes.
Everything Made in America has a HUGE Tax load built in. You as an employee pays 25% or more in taxes before you ever get your check. The Company matches a portion of your Taxes and has Corporate Taxes to pay to. All Taxes are passed on to Consumer. Every penny.
Illegal Aliens working for Cash, Drug Dealers, Topless dancers etc working for cash are not paying ANY TAXES. Some Topless dancers are making $500,000 a year tax free. I had a friend in 1980? that was making $5,000 a week ($250,000 a Year) dancing. All Tax free. Think about this even if you make $100,000 a year after Taxes you are probably under $50,000 spending money while if Illegal Alien makes $100,000 a year it is all Tax free.

So this whole Tax system punishes the hard working American men and women while giving FREE ride to Imports and under the table cash work.

The simple obvious solution would be to eliminate Income tax and have Point of Sale Tax like most State and Local cities have for Federal Government. That way does not matter where it was made or where you work or if you are RICH or POOR you would pay same Tax.

Not so simple. We have a greedy Government with a spending problem they can not control so they would end up just Taxing us more in a different way. Doing us Deeper and Harder.

Our Tax system was set up when America was the Industrial leader of the World and shipping around the World was expensive. So it was hard for other Countries to compete for our jobs here. Now with our Taxes it is way cheaper to pay the shipping than it is to pay our greedy Government Taxes. Made in America over 50% Taxes built in. Made in China = Shipping cost and no Taxes. Some now have a minimal Tariff on them which has little to no impact on final cost of goods.

I will tell you something else, in China they pay the people who work there much better than you think. We have been told it is Cheap labor over there the reason things are cheap there. Nope, that is not it, they actually get paid pretty good. China has a heavy Import tax on everything that comes in and that helps support the Chinese goods. Our system is backwards it supports IMPORTS while ripping off American working men and women. They were accusing Trump of not paying his fair share of Taxes. He pays every penny he is required to and said if you do not like it change the laws, it would be stupid of him to pay more Taxes than is required by law. Same with China, they are not breaking any laws, they are using the system we set up to their best interest. Our Government and Tax system is the problem.

Well the one thing I will bet my life o0n. Once they go this stupid high they will never go back to before price. May drop back some, supply chain may improve but the pre covid price before climbing like rocket. Never happen

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Originally posted by Trans Lady:

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

Let’s also not forget that everyone said trumps tariffs would lead to inflation.

I voted for Trump and will vote for him again, but the tariffs and increased spending have contributed to inflation

Trumps tariffs?
I guess you don't know that Biden keep them...

How tariffs compare in the Biden and Trump eras

https://www.marketplace.org/20...iden-and-trump-eras/


Why Biden is keeping Trump’s China tariffs in place

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/0...en-policy/index.html

I know this, but it doesn’t change the fact that trump implemented something that contributed to inflation. Again, I voted for Trump and will vote for Trump again.

What is the administration supposed to do? Sit back and let them hose us? I think he did what he thought was best but if you look at all tariff types, none are a win in history.

Its the little things that add up. 1/2 gallon of ice cream 3/4 size same price as before, Pop tarts same size box-same size envelope-3/4 size product. But here is the best one, Scott **** paper used to be 1000 pieces per roll now they advertise 1100 pieces. What they fail to disclose is that now instead of 2 ply it is only 1..They had already made the roll 1in less wide.....this list could go n and on.

3,each brass 1/4 pipe male to 3/8 nipple.
2 each brass allen 1/2 pipe Allen plugs.
30 bucks!

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3,each brass 1/4 pipe male to 3/8 nipple.
2 each brass allen 1/2 pipe Allen plugs.
30 bucks!

Barry, I probably have more money in fittings than in my savings account at the Bank.

Bob

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

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Originally posted by Trans Lady:

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Originally posted by racerdude2054:

Let’s also not forget that everyone said trumps tariffs would lead to inflation.

I voted for Trump and will vote for him again, but the tariffs and increased spending have contributed to inflation

Trumps tariffs?
I guess you don't know that Biden keep them...

How tariffs compare in the Biden and Trump eras

https://www.marketplace.org/20...iden-and-trump-eras/


Why Biden is keeping Trump’s China tariffs in place

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/0...en-policy/index.html

I know this, but it doesn’t change the fact that trump implemented something that contributed to inflation. Again, I voted for Trump and will vote for Trump again.

"You know what reciprocal means? They do it to us, we do it to them!"

All I know is a 80oz. Jug of pine-sol at Home Depot is $15 d a m n dollars…….TRUMP 2024…..WHOMP OUT….