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I have to agree with Ed, the majority bracket racing today are running a carb and I would most likely do the same


Big Steve…KNOWS!


I think it also needs to be said that the advancement in design technology and quality of carburetors today from the top builders far and exceeds what it was back in 2014 when I ran a Ron's system and James Monroe was winning for that matter.
Nothing at all against a Ron's MFI system but the Technology is the same today as it was 10 years ago where racing carburetor's whether they are gas or alky have continued to evolve


Agreed, but I will add this, alky has a wider range of AFR that will work vs gas so the fact that the Ron's deal runs alky helps a bunch IMO. And I know of a few blown ron's injected combo's that print time slips, especially considering the fast et's and speeds.

Bracket racing allows the racer to choose their entire combo, no matter what it is, if you are willing to put the effort required into the combo to make it run consistently, you will have a competitive car,,, but some combo's require more work than others.
 
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and some combos like the OPs hemi, magneto and MFI will never be competitive bracket racing no mind in that FED POS it’s in. Laughing very hard
 
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I ain’t huh, come now I’m here and will be here all weekend! It’s you that ain’t going to do shyt! 5 years and all you’ve said when I’m in front of you is hello and need more power. You’re a fucing b i t c h p u s s y!


Still waiting for you to post the Wally and big checks that you brag about but don’t have.

I’m sure you and block head Pigley Junior are there now because you have nothing else to do but work in your rented shop because you can’t afford your own!!! Maybe even Mrs. Pigley cooking dinner in the rented shop.

All these threats and you’re an internet blowhard who has never done anything behind the wheel but rides on block head’s coattails. If you were serious about it you would have done something about it already. Or sent block head Pigley Jr to attempt it or one of his dumbass friends that are at least closer in age so your old azz wouldn’t trip and fall down. We all know you will hide behind your lawyer and not do a thing.

Racing this weekend? More .200 lights heading our way? The Numidia live stream contains some great entertainment Big Grin

Got “distracted” in the car!!! Lol. Like B KING said, because you’re not prepared!

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as to my .200 light, when I staged I was CLUELESS/NOT PREPARED & CAUSED an event in the car, NBD. bought back and won then paired up with the same guy 2md round that was the beneficiary of my 1st round light and I ended his day. Overall very happy with my lights competing in TOP for the first time ever.


^^^Quote, edited for the truth.^^^

A talented/experienced racer, which YOU ARE NOT! Would have been properly prepared & not had a clueless event in the Firechicken. Wink

You lost in the 1st & 3rd round Sat. because you S...UCK!

Then on Sun. you didn't win one round. You were CHICKEN LITTLE/SCARED & didn't even buyback, again...because you S...UCK!

Now, back on topic. I currently use EFI but have no issues with a carb. I have won with both. Big Grin

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Again...YOU don't like the REAL Truth & Facts about yourself! Laughing very hard at YOU, the Clueless & Chicken Little Old Man, who SUCKS behind the wheel.

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Show up p u s s y but we know you never will, you’ve only got mouth from the safety of your keyboard, proven at your home shythole where in 5 years all you could find the courage to mutter was hello 1 year and you need more power the next. 5 words in 5 years and last year again you showed all standing with me in the lanes less than 100 feet from you that you are a p u s s y. Everyone with me said no way he’s coming over and they were right. Laughing very hard
 
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Show up p u s s y but we know you never will, you’ve only got mouth from the safety of your keyboard, proven at your home shythole where in 5 years all you could find the courage to mutter was hello 1 year and you need more power the next. 5 words in 5 years and last year again you showed all standing with me in the lanes less than 100 feet from you that you are a p u s s y. Everyone with me said no way he’s coming over and they were right. Laughing very hard


Why do you want me to show up? You need help working on your junk in your rented shop? Big Grin You either have a poor memory or you're a liar, maybe both. Your six fiddy is still unimpressive just like I told you in person and you had nothing to say and kept walking.

Why are you so worried about me coming and talking to you anyway? Besides, everyone knows there was nobody with you because nobody at the track likes you other than Block Head Pigley Jr. and that's only because you pay the bills. Seems like now he's moved on to greener pastures anyway.

Still waiting for all the Wally's and big checks that YOU won.....post 'em up or STFU liar!!!!
 
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Post up the big checks and Wally’s or STFU liar.
 
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Wish retow was here to give his opinion on the subject.

ep-s h i t would get straight then
 
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Fwiw, 1320 does have at least one Wally that he won if not more. I think it's multiple but not sure.
He also has at least one big check as well. 5k that I remember.

Not that it matters but I doubt it's 99.9% carbs. Granted, I haven't raced in a few years but there's plenty of Ron's/Enderle.. MFI still out there.
99.9% would be roughly 1 in 1000 doing quick math.

I got an alky MFI(alky&E85) & Carbs (alky&gas) setup for a slow cutup shytbox. They all did there job. The gas 4150 750DP that I converted to 1 to 1 linkage is the most responsive. I told people that drove my car that it will get away in the burnout. They would laugh being so slow! Sure enough, the shift light would be on for a few seconds in the BO.

PS: Phillies won! Go Phils!



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I think it also needs to be said that the advancement in design technology and quality of carburetors today from the top builders far and exceeds what it was back in 2014 when I ran a Ron's system and James Monroe was winning for that matter.
Nothing at all against a Ron's MFI system but the Technology is the same today as it was 10 years ago where racing carburetor's whether they are gas or alky have continued to evolve


I believe Big Steve has this exactly right. I think the predominate carb builders have their offerings developed to the point that they can supply you with a combination that not only gives you the maximum performance, but also offers the most consistency. Show me all the big money 1/8 mile bracket winners ($20k+) that didn’t use a carb in 2022……. I personally don’t know of any.
I also agree that MFI has not changed much since the 80’s. Not saying it’s bad, just same. I believe EFI in bracket racing is the next injection improvement for non carbs, but few if any follow this path because of cost and software tuning knowledge.
 
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Fwiw, 1320 does have at least one Wally that he won if not more. I think it's multiple but not sure.
He also has at least one big check as well. 5k that I remember.

Not that it matters but I doubt it's 99.9% carbs. Granted, I haven't raced in a few years but there's plenty of Ron's/Enderle.. MFI still out there.
99.9% would be roughly 1 in 1000 doing quick math.

I got an alky MFI(alky&E85) & Carbs (alky&gas) setup for a slow cutup shytbox. They all did there job. The gas 4150 750DP that I converted to 1 to 1 linkage is the most responsive. I told people that drove my car that it will get away in the burnout. They would laugh being so slow! Sure enough, the shift light would be on for a few seconds in the BO.

PS: Phillies won! Go Phils!


The number 99.9 was in reference to my post not the percentage of carbs. Seems my post do not fit their requirements, Also seems they think I need their permission to post something. Well in their minds anyway.

Thanks for posting something related to poll.




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Mark,
I agree with you on your thoughts about EFI. It's pricey for sure on a max effort engine and the knowledge needed to run it is daunting. Injectors aren't cheap!

I know a racer(FB) that runs TBI that has done well in the past. Pretty sure over 25 years.
The Holley Sniper system looked great when it first came out but had issues.
I see they have a second generation Sniper coming out. Pretty much saying, we had issues and hopefully they are fixed. Curious how much HP they can support. Maybe I'll start a poll!



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If asking me, Tuning by Kiwi ring a bell! Reddish GM product. Granted he can hold a tenth or dial honest but is always near his dial.



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Wish retow was here to give his opinion on the subject.

ep-s h i t would get straight then



Are you nuts!





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Not that it matters but i`ve been EFI since 2006 on a SBO and bracket raced it up until 2013. Then i changed engine combo`s for a 706 with the same EFI system to go T/S racing. Now i just upgraded to the Holley Dominator system and i just have to get it on the chassis dyno for final tuning. Mike at TNT Performance will be doing the tuning and he supplies me with all of my EFI parts for me and my business. In heads up racing he does a lot of carb deletes where these guys running big inch engines with carbs on race gas are going EFI on race gas. EFI corrects everything that you cant tune with a carb. That`s a fact.





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On gas EFI has the potential to be better and faster than a carb for those few who know how to tune and make them work.
For most on gas a carb is simple and hard to beat.

On alcohol does not matter if it is MFI or carb both when tuned right are very consistent. If you know what you are doing and how to tune them they work great. And as far as what type MFI who cares? Stack injection, Hat, Terminator or toilet all the same to me and will work fine.

Right now I run one car with a alcohol carb and the other with a Ron's Toilet. One of my other motors has an Enderle hat injection. Most all MFI have a pump, nozzles, barrel valve and air valve or throttle body. The only real difference on most is the throttle body. If you know how to tune them no difference.

Does not matter to me one bit what others run carb, gas, alcohol, EFI or MFI. To me differences are minor and I never assume that someone who runs XXX or what ever can not be competitive because of it.

So it seems to me silly to argue about what someone else runs because they all work if you know how to tune them. That is why I have not posted in this thread much or voted in it. Who cares? They all work if you know what you are doing.


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If asking me, Tuning by Kiwi ring a bell! Reddish GM product. Granted he can hold a tenth or dial honest but is always near his dial.

Never heard of him
 
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