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Using a grade school manipulation of General David Petraeus’ last name, MoveOn asked in a full-page advertisement, in the NYT, whether this honorable commander would betray his nation for the sake of a temporary political advantage. Calling the MNF-I commander “Betray-Us”, the Democratic activist organization accused the general of deliberately misreporting the results of the war effort to boost the Bush administration.

They did this without ever hearing the 1st word of his report.

I question who's betraying whom. I question MoveOn's patriotism. I suggest that MoveOn and the Democrats who support the organization would gladly commit character assassination of the lowest order against a man who has served this nation for 35 years in such an honorable fashion that the Senate voted unanimously to give him command of our forces in Iraq just eight months ago.

Just think of this slander next time you hear a democrats say “I support the troops”. Yes I know some dems did say “it was wrong” but not one of democrats running for President has, the same people that want to be the Commander in chief of the armed forces. Their lack of disgust speaks volumes to the current level of character shown by the democrats running for president.

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George Zoros's money does a amazing thing for the liberal machine.Ask the Democrats, who are running for president,to tell Move on.org to shut up and return all the campaign money they recieved from them.I don't think it'll happen though.I don't think that characn the Democratic Party and there's also some repubikans that fall in that terrority also.The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are really pissed at their leaders in congress and want their leaders to come over and talk to them while there sitting in a fox**** and facing the enemy.I doubt that will happen,because the Democrats have experience in bull****ing the public into believing their lies.Do you want the Democrats to run this country?I'm sure that I don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Well joe you just can't copy only part from the web site.
http://moveon.org/

Here, i'll give you a hand. Smile

General Petraeus or General Betray Us?

View the ad (PDF)Cooking the books for the White House

General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts.

In 2004, just before the election, he said there was “tangible progress“ in Iraq and that “Iraqi leaders are stepping forward.”
Washington Post, “Battling for Iraq,” by David H. Petraeus. 9/26/04 (see below)

And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq , said ”We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress.”

The Australian, “Surge Working: Top US General,” by Dennis Shanahan. 8/31/07
Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed.
GAO report, 9/4/07
NIE report, 8/23/07
Jones report, CSIS, 9/6/07
Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. That’s because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs don’t count.
“Time to Take a Stand,” by Paul Krugman. 9/7/07
The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if you're shot in the back of the head -- not the front.
“Experts Doubt Drop in Violence in Iraq,” by Karen DeYoung. 9/6/07 l
According to news reports, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer we’ve been there.
The Associated Press, “Violence Appears to Be Shifting from Baghdad.” 8/25/07
National Public Radio, “Statistics the Weapon of Choice in Surge Debate,” by Guy Raz. 9/6/07
Associated Press, “Key Figures About Iraq Since the War Began in 2003.” 9/5/07
We'll hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we won't hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.
Newsweek, “Baghdad’s New Owners,” by Babak Dehghanpisheh and Larry Kaplow, 9/10/07
Ibid from the AP, “Violence Appears to be Shifting From Baghdad”
McClatchy, “Despite Violence Drop, Officers See Bleak Future for Iraq,” by Leila Fadel. 8/15/07
The New York Times, “More Iraqis Said to Flee Since Troop Rise,” by James Glanz and Stephen Farrell. 8/24/07
Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows; Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war.
We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops.
The New York Times, “Petraeus, Seeing Gains in Iraq as Fragile, is Wary of Cuts,” by David Sanger and David Cloud, 9/7/07
The Washington Post, “Petraeus Open to Pullout of One Brigade,” by Robin Wright and Jonathan Weisman. 9/7/07.
But we won’t hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.
The Hill, “Rep. Schakowsky: Petraeus hints at decade-long Iraq presence,” by Patrick FitzGerald. 8/10/07
Today before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.

The Washington Post, 9/26/04
Battling for Iraq

BYLINE: David H. Petraeus

SECTION: Editorial; B07

LENGTH: 1239 words

DATELINE: BAGHDAD
Helping organize, train and equip nearly a quarter-million of Iraq's security forces is a daunting task. Doing so in the middle of a tough insurgency increases the challenge enormously, making the mission akin to repairing an aircraft while in flight -- and while being shot at. Now, however, 18 months after entering Iraq, I see tangible progress. Iraqi security elements are being rebuilt from the ground up.
The institutions that oversee them are being reestablished from the top down. And Iraqi leaders are stepping forward, leading their country and their security forces courageously in the face of an enemy that has shown a willingness to do anything to disrupt the establishment of the new Iraq.
In recent months, I have observed thousands of Iraqis in training and then watched as they have conducted numerous operations. Although there have been reverses -- not to mention horrific terrorist attacks -- there has been progress in the effort to enable Iraqis to shoulder more of the load for their own security, something they are keen to do. The future undoubtedly will be full of difficulties, especially in places such as Fallujah. We must expect setbacks and recognize that not every soldier or policeman we help train will be equal to the challenges ahead.
Nonetheless, there are reasons for optimism. Today approximately 164,000 Iraqi police and soldiers (of which about 100,000 are trained and equipped) and an additional 74,000 facility protection forces are performing a wide variety of security missions. Equipment is being delivered. Training is on track and increasing in capacity. Infrastructure is being repaired. Command and control structures and institutions are being reestablished.
Most important, Iraqi security forces are in the fight -- so much so that they are suffering substantial casualties as they take on more and more of the burdens to achieve security in their country. Since Jan. 1 more than 700 Iraqi security force members have been killed, and hundreds of Iraqis seeking to volunteer for the police and military have been killed as well.
Six battalions of the Iraqi regular army and the Iraqi Intervention Force are now conducting operations. Two of these battalions, along with the Iraqi commando battalion, the counterterrorist force, two Iraqi National Guard battalions and thousands of policemen recently contributed to successful operations in Najaf. Their readiness to enter and clear the Imam Ali shrine was undoubtedly a key factor in enabling Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani to persuade members of the Mahdi militia to lay down their arms and leave the shrine.
In another highly successful operation several days ago, the Iraqi counterterrorist force conducted early-morning raids in Najaf that resulted in the capture of several senior lieutenants and 40 other members of that militia, and the seizure of enough weapons to fill nearly four 71/2-ton dump trucks.
Within the next 60 days, six more regular army and six additional Intervention Force battalions will become operational. Nine more regular army battalions will complete training in January, in time to help with security missions during the Iraqi elections at the end of that month.
Iraqi National Guard battalions have also been active in recent months. Some 40 of the 45 existing battalions -- generally all except those in the Fallujah-Ramadi area -- are conducting operations on a daily basis, most alongside coalition forces, but many independently. Progress has also been made in police training. In the past week alone, some 1,100 graduated from the basic policing course and five specialty courses. By early spring, nine academies in Iraq and one in Jordan will be graduating a total of 5,000 police each month from the eight-week course, which stresses patrolling and investigative skills, substantive and procedural legal knowledge, and proper use of force and weaponry, as well as pride in the profession and adherence to the police code of conduct.
Iraq's borders are long, stretching more than 2,200 miles. Reducing the flow of extremists and their resources across the borders is critical to success in the counterinsurgency. As a result, with support from the Department of Homeland Security, specialized training for Iraq's border enforcement elements began earlier this month in Jordan.
Regional academies in Iraq have begun training as well, and more will come online soon. In the months ahead, the 16,000-strong border force will expand to 24,000 and then 32,000. In addition, these forces will be provided with modern technology, including vehicle X-ray machines, explosive-detection devices and ground sensors.
Outfitting hundreds of thousands of new Iraqi security forces is difficult and complex, and many of the units are not yet fully equipped. But equipment has begun flowing. Since July 1, for example, more than 39,000 weapons and 22 million rounds of ammunition have been delivered to Iraqi forces, in addition to 42,000 sets of body armor, 4,400 vehicles, 16,000 radios and more than 235,000 uniforms.
Considerable progress is also being made in the reconstruction and refurbishing of infrastructure for Iraq's security forces. Some $1 billion in construction to support this effort has been completed or is underway, and five Iraqi bases are already occupied by entire infantry brigades.
Numbers alone cannot convey the full story. The human dimension of this effort is crucial. The enemies of Iraq recognize how much is at stake as Iraq reestablishes its security forces. Insurgents and foreign fighters continue to mount barbaric attacks against police stations, recruiting centers and military installations, even though the vast majority of the population deplores such attacks. Yet despite the sensational attacks, there is no shortage of qualified recruits volunteering to join Iraqi security forces. In the past couple of months, more than 7,500 Iraqi men have signed up for the army and are preparing to report for basic training to fill out the final nine battalions of the Iraqi regular army. Some 3,500 new police recruits just reported for training in various locations. And two days after the recent bombing on a street outside a police recruiting location in Baghdad, hundreds of Iraqis were once again lined up inside the force protection walls at another location -- where they were greeted by interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.
I meet with Iraqi security force leaders every day. Though some have given in to acts of intimidation, many are displaying courage and resilience in the face of repeated threats and attacks on them, their families and their comrades. I have seen their determination and their desire to assume the full burden of security tasks for Iraq.
There will be more tough times, frustration and disappointment along the way. It is likely that insurgent attacks will escalate as Iraq's elections approach. Iraq's security forces are, however, developing steadily and they are in the fight. Momentum has gathered in recent months. With strong Iraqi leaders out front and with continued coalition -- and now NATO -- support, this trend will continue. It will not be easy, but few worthwhile things are.
The writer, an Army lieutenant general, commands the Multinational Security Transition Command in Iraq. He previously commanded the 101st Airborne Division, which was deployed in Iraq from March 2003 until February 2004.

Everybody on the Hill and across the country knew his report would not stray from dumbya's "Staying The Course".
It was so predictable.

The General is still a "Hero" in my book.
Please no name calling.
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Who'd have guessed?

Bob comes out and tries to defend the indefensible.

Any organization that would call a 4-star general who has given his life to serve his country a liar is an organization that should be shown nothing but distain and hatred. Yet Bob comes on here and defends them.

Good liberal, Bob, good liberal. Did they give you your treat for doing a good job?


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Greg, there is a big difference between a reputable general and a puppet. I do not doubt that Petraeus has served this country well. However, in this situation, he is acting as a puppet in a declining collection of the puppet master himself. Nobody needs to read about his testimony because this administration has gotten so predictable that everybody knew exactly what he was going to say.
 
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I guess it's to much to expect for the unknowing to understand.
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Like I said “today’s democrats” they see no problem what so ever with this behavior. I only wonder how much lower they can go?



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Imagine a socialist liberal kook calling a distinguished four star general a puppet??????
The anti-American socialist donkies have been distributing talking points for nigh on a month now in an effort to deflect the good news the general was expected to report, even the ultra-liberal icon Katie Couric came back from Iraq and reported the situation there was much improved! Now who would a reasoning person call a puppet?
Guess the socialist donkies must have missed that news!


TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!
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Katie Couric would tell everybody that she was going to interview Elvis if it brought her ratings up. She is not reputable and should go back to morning TV. Nobody else that returns from Iraq has any good news. Democrats AND Republicans!!!

What good news BTW?
 
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Undoubtedly not on the kook leftie blogs you socialist libs get your talking points from!
Another blunder? If the war is so unpopular how in the world would it help Katie's ratings to come back with positive news????????


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Katie Couric would tell everybody that she was going to interview Elvis if it brought her ratings up. She is not reputable and should go back to morning TV. Nobody else that returns from Iraq has any good news. Democrats AND Republicans!!!

What good news BTW?
Are you fawking kidding me!?!?!? What left-wing blogosphere have you had your head buried in?

Nearly every single Congressmen that has gone over there in the last couple months has come back with claims of an improved situation... Democrat and Republican alike!!


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I see that Bill O'Reilly has corrupted your mind too....... Big Grin
 
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The Democratic Party has finally learned on how to attack the messenger from Hillary Cunton.Like I said in another post,you guys actions in earlier wars would have us speaking German,Japanese,and finally if you succeed here,Arabic!It took Washington years to finally succeed in the Revolutionary war,It took Licoln years until he got General Grant.Of course in those 2 wars we lost a hell of alot of soldiers compared to 3,772 in this one.Go to www.freedomswatch.org and listen to the people who have put their lives on the line and the people who have paid the Ultimate Price.Just think they gave their life so you can whine!!!!!!!How sad!!!!You just want to go back to pre 9/11 mentality.Your dumb,sick,and a bunch of pussies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hans
 
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so, Hans, if someone has put their life on the line, does that give them the right to whine?

does that give them the right to question their government?

does that give them the right to an opinion?

does that give them the right to not approve of their government's actions?

does that give them any more rights than anyone else?

if it does, then it makes the ideal of putting your life on the line for democracy and the American way a little bit diminished, doesn't it?


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I see that Bill O'Reilly has corrupted your mind too.




Listen to him, you might learn something.


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Yep if you served you have the biggest right to chastize the wimps who are trying to give our country to Islam.The General did not have the White House write the speach!He said it was in his own words.Yet the day before the speech is even given,Move-on.org(COMMUNIST)says he lied.Why would he?He could be making alot of money on the outside,but you see in the US MILITARY it's called HONOR,RESPECT,AND THE WILLINGNESS TO PUT ONE'S LIFE ON THE LINE FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What has George Zoros done for this country?What has Senator Reed done for his Country/They both have used it to make money at the taxpayer's expense.Maybe you should check out your own party's use of power to enrich their life.Senator Feinstein's husband and his military contracts,Senator Schumer and his hidden money from the ACLU,and the list goes on forever.Are the Rebublicans any better?Nope!!!!
Just a few of them give a damn, along with Senator Lieberman, you know the guy that MOVE_ON.org threw under the bus.You see most Democrats were like him,but when JFK died,so dfid your parties honor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Wasnt Patraeus pick by a non partisan committee to assess the situation in Iraq?


It really does speak volumes when the #1 terrorist in the world releases a video critisizing the Dems for not achieving his goals in Iraq now doesnt it?

Maybe hes a pizzed off campain contributor??? Eek
 
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as in vietnam, the U.S. has blundered into an "un-winnable" situation. not only on the battle front, but on the home front as well.

Big George did it right. the gulf war was a righteous cause. we went, we kicked ass, we came home. Little George, trying to copy daddy, didn't get it right.

any protracted war will have the same end result, not only for the U.S. but for any country which attempts it. the Russians (whom i despise) found this out in Afghanistan. the French found out in Vietnam. the British found out in America. the Romans found out in England.

the really miserable thing about the war in Iraq is that this country tried for 30 years to heal itself after Vietnam, and the Bush administration's ignorance has undone any advances we made.

bd.... by the way, Hans, do you suppose anyone made money off us poor ****ers in Vietnam??


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Katie Couric would tell everybody that she was going to interview Elvis if it brought her ratings up. She is not reputable and should go back to morning TV. Nobody else that returns from Iraq has any good news. Democrats AND Republicans!!!

What good news BTW?
Are you fawking kidding me!?!?!? What left-wing blogosphere have you had your head buried in?

Nearly every single Congressmen that has gone over there in the last couple months has come back with claims of an improved situation... Democrat and Republican alike!!


 
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