Bracket Talk
starter repair

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June 05, 2023, 04:18 PM
wideopen231
starter repair
Looking to getg HOP starter repaired, Just called Mark and he is 4 to 6 weeks out. Anyone know of someone who will repair his stuff other than him? Nothing against him just have another TNT in two weeks and then TNT,with back to back bracket race at Piedmont. Add in not much time left before too damn hot for my old ass to be out racing. Can handle 0* hell of lot better than90 and 85* shyt.
Any good starter repair guys?




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June 05, 2023, 04:21 PM
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June 05, 2023, 04:25 PM
wideopen231
This is why I like a spare everything!




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June 05, 2023, 07:19 PM
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Any local starter repair shop can….
June 05, 2023, 08:02 PM
wideopen231
Only one starter shop left around here I think. Not all that grat and not sure I trust them to fix anything not st OEM.Mostly Hispanic with dyke running the place. There use to be two guys local damn good but both passed in the last 10 years.




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June 06, 2023, 09:07 AM
1320racer
The repair is easy, even for you with the right parts. What exactly did you break?
June 06, 2023, 09:16 AM
SCDIV1
The motors rarely fail
The drive or the retraction springs do but mostly the springs

I had 2 starters and if I had a spring fail, swapped to my spare and fixed the first one in my trailer in 10 minutes

2 types of springs.....regular and wave type

Regular worked fine....deburr end of spring and grease the h-e-l-l out of it so it does not grab and get wound up. Use a good grease or anti seize

Don't buy cheap drives....good ones last a zillion starts....

Lay under there and make sure the starter engagement is right and retracts on it's own

If it does not retract and the engine starts it can hurt the drive....

Starting at idle is best.....not always possible but is best for the starter drive....

I demolished my share of starters from kickbacks and solved that issue...rotor phasing and various starting techniques that worked best...
June 06, 2023, 09:56 AM
1320racer
Just 1 kickback starts the damage and it’s only a matter of time until the drive fails, usually the spring or bearing and sometimes the gear starts to break apart too, putting metal into the armature case. If the drive gear didn’t fail, no metal, just swapping drive assemblies is an easy fix as Rich stated. Every racer should carry a spare drive assembly and solenoid if not an entire spare starter.

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June 06, 2023, 12:27 PM
wideopen231
Will check spring since this one has habit of hanging some. That would be the mounting block most likely. Since there is no such thing as a starter mount for a TFX92 Hemi I had to make one. Well 4 or 5. Seems the least amount of movement of one of the holes makes a huge difference in engagement. I mean 30 or 40 thousand and half a tooth goes to too tight. Good thing has the material and just 2 hours on mill and I have another one.LOL

Right now solenoid click, does not engage fully and no attempt to rotate. Pulling apart today and maybe with two very old units I have enough to build back better and hopefully better than the idiot in the White House's attempt at that.

Tried swapping out solenoids last night even knowing the two I had a better chance of bad than good.




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June 06, 2023, 01:01 PM
SCDIV1
I had 2 HOP 139 big dogs and many spare springs,
a spare drive and a spare solenoid.

Mark treated me like family.....I was very appreciative and he bailed me out more than once....

You go rounds and expect to win it's a must to have this stuff

I changed a starter at Atco at an association race with barely a couple minutes to get up there and made it and was .001 for the W on that round....
June 06, 2023, 01:24 PM
wideopen231
Oh I believe in spare stuff.

Fuuny time. How many bracket cars have 6 or 7 sets of bearings,4 sets of springs, spare msd mag and box,all transmission clutches(no full spare YET) spare front tires, working on spare rears, spare heads, extra valves, spare fuel pump,two sets of pushrods, two spare pistons, all gaskets two sets of? That is start of list.
Wonder why my trailer so heavy.LMAO

See I broke what I did not yet have spares of. Just like I have always said about having spare parts. Before comment most of that I had before the car was started so it in no way held up buying for this car.




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June 06, 2023, 02:57 PM
wideopen231
Figure it has to be solenoid. Pulled everything apart and no signs of burning up starter itself. Not sure why not I work the hell out of it Saturday.

Reassembled connected starter with it in the floor and grounded to the car. Hit button . Nothing except lights ondelay and other went out for a second.. All wiring checked out fine with meter




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June 06, 2023, 04:23 PM
1320racer
quote:
Originally posted by wideopen231:
How many bracket cars have 6 or 7 sets of bearings,4 sets of springs, spare msd mag and box,all transmission clutches(no full LLC
spare YET) spare front tires, working on spare rears, spare heads, extra valves, spare fuel pump,two sets of pushrods, two spare pistons, all gaskets two sets of? That is start of list.

Answer…NONE because most of what you have is either A not used on a bracket car or B not installed in the pits of a bracket race!

You are NOT a bracket racer.

That said, I carry all the spares a bracket racer might need, parts that are, can be replaced in the pits at a bracket race/weekend event. For the engine I have in my trailer valve springs, pushrods, rockers and lifters, beyond that we are loading up and going home to swap engines.
June 06, 2023, 04:25 PM
SCDIV1
If I have to drive down there to fix it for you it's gonna cost you more than some redneck chit...LOL

Besides my back hurts so bad today I'm not movin for a while

Test the starter by itself without the car hooked up...just battery cables + and - and jump the solenoid.....Don't blame the starter if it's the car causing it.....

Can't fix stuff when you don't know what's wrong....diagnosis is what I do better than most....anybody can turn a bolt and change a part....being a replacer is not my game....
June 06, 2023, 05:36 PM
wideopen231
quote:
Originally posted by SCDIV1:
If I have to drive down there to fix it for you it's gonna cost you more than some redneck chit...LOL

Besides my back hurts so bad today I'm not movin for a while

Test the starter by itself without the car hooked up...just battery cables + and - and jump the solenoid.....Don't blame the starter if it's the car causing it.....

Can't fix stuff when you don't know what's wrong....diagnosis is what I do better than most....anybody can turn a bolt and change a part....being a replacer is not my game.


Like said starter not working laying in floor. I tried both grounded to the chassis and just jumper cables from the battery. .Jumpering old school, you know screwdriver.LOL Nothing with car I have 15v every place I should when on car.

Not sure what the redneck chit is but if cold clear creek water as some around here call it. We have that.LOL Night be redneck but you would forget your back ache.




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June 06, 2023, 06:05 PM
SCDIV1
I'd probably wake up dead if I hit that stuff.... Laughing Hard

I'm way to old for white lightning....
June 06, 2023, 06:30 PM
1320racer
Jumper cables or jump pack.. positive to solenoid stud, negative to rear bolt on back of starter. What happens?
June 06, 2023, 06:55 PM
jza
Call Jack at East Coast Alternator,570 457 0553
June 06, 2023, 07:08 PM
SCDIV1
Solenoids job is to shift the drive into the flexplate and at the same time internally connects the motor to B+ so it runs

Jump the top large post on the solenoid to the lower large post that connects to the motor...B+ with body grounded
Motor should spin

If motor spins but nothing happens when you jumper small terminal on solenoid to B+ larger post on top, the solenoid is N/G and motor is ok....
June 06, 2023, 07:18 PM
1320racer
Agree