TB shorted

August 31, 2023, 04:57 PM

M120

TB shorted

Wide, you funny!
Friend has YouTube channel.

He would like to know when hitting the track again to document your triumphs and struggles on a bracket racers car.

What's your schedule?

Best of luck! Seems like you need it with all your failures in the driveway.

PS: I'm really starting to believe that Wide is a fake poster with AI stuff to generate hits on this site.

August 31, 2023, 06:25 PM

wideopen231

Only issue to happen in driveway is TB issue. Vacuum pum drive,brake leak acusing no brakes,battery short or just died and program in delay taking out TB lockout. All at the track. All after quite a fe crnakings at house with zero issue.

If want to jump on something need to know facts.

August 31, 2023, 07:09 PM

SCDIV1

Where's Ed ?

We need his take on this now....

August 31, 2023, 07:27 PM

Curly1

quote:
Originally posted by SCDIV1:
Where's Ed ?

We need his take on this now....

No, Please do not start that.

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August 31, 2023, 07:31 PM

B KING

He's probably one of the 190 Guest(s) lurking right now, good for him.

2BKING

August 31, 2023, 09:06 PM

seabass

quote:
Originally posted by wideopen231:
Up date. It seems they do not like 16v systems. Straight from FTI.

BS, solenoids work fine on 16v, i, like many others have been doing for a lot of years

August 31, 2023, 09:41 PM

Mopar Traitor

Keep in mind there were 34 replies on how to set the floats on a holley carburetor.

August 31, 2023, 10:35 PM

Big Steve

quote:
Originally posted by B KING:
quote:
Originally posted by Curly1:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Steve:
Been running 16 volts for over 10 years and never have burned up a TB solenoid, that is a load of crap that 16 volts is causing this.
1000s of racers running 16 volt systems out there

I did not say the 16 volts burned it up and I do not have a wiring problem. Like I said I have never burned up a solenoid even with 16 volt.

Wideopen has a problem not me. I tend to think his issue is transbrake solenoid not proper depth or wrong solenoid.

FTI tech told Wideopen 16 volt is main issue.
You got a beef about that take it up with Wideopen or FTI. Because I do not care, I am not going to argue with you about what Wideopen or FTI said.

Big Steve didn't insinuate that you had a problem. It was 434 olds.

2BKING

Thank you BKing, atleast you had enough common sense to understand I was not responding to Curly

September 01, 2023, 03:43 PM

Top355x

If your solenoid is a one wire unit replace it with a two wire and run ground wire right to battery if one wire and you want to try it strip a piece of wire and hose clamp it right to solenoid and go to ground on battery wiling to believe all the electrical problems are ground related the correct way to test it all has been mentioned as a voltage drop test and you peform that test while components are under a load

September 01, 2023, 03:46 PM

Top355x

Also what you want to step voltage down from 16v to 12 volts isn’t a relay it is a step down transformer or a resistor but if wiring is correct your solenoid will live on a 16 volt system

September 01, 2023, 05:47 PM

wideopen231

sorry guys but there is almost no way to wire wrong. Hot wire from delay box ground to chassis. Yes I ground to transmission bolt and had a wire on top of that wire tp the chassis. Not much can get wrong wiring wise.

If ground was an issue as has been suggested. Would seem just disengage since the circuit broken.

Only thing I can figure is voltage was the issue as I was told. It might have had more voltage wired straight to the batter than through box.

Personally think it had an issue before now and was more of jerking problem last week than the scuffed o ring in the reverse piston I had thought was the cause.
. Whatever the reason got a new solenoid going in tonight. Hopefully just a bad part. it does happen

September 01, 2023, 05:55 PM

wideopen231

quote:
Originally posted by Top355x:
If your solenoid is a one wire unit replace it with a two wire and run ground wire right to battery if one wire and you want to try it strip a piece of wire and hose clamp it right to solenoid and go to ground on battery wiling to believe all the electrical problems are ground related the correct way to test it all has been mentioned as a voltage drop test and you peform that test while components are under a load

Guess I need 6 or 8 wire since the nearest battery connection is 3 1/2' away. Doubt any better than connecting to the transmission and chassis giving two grounds. Using 12 ga wire from the solenoid, bigger than solenoid has actually.

September 01, 2023, 09:23 PM

Top355x

I’m not saying old solenoid wasn’t bad but bad grounds cause more problems than any others. On my dragster I have grounds to chassis but I also have 8 gauge wire that runs from transmission to engine then to battery and I studs welded on my chassis for ground locations but figured a few feet of wire is cheap insurance

September 01, 2023, 10:20 PM

wideopen231

New solenoid in. Tested at 10,20 and 30-second times. Little heat but had to work to feel it. DZue to not superstitious but very cautious I will not say anything else.

September 02, 2023, 07:27 AM

Curly1

quote:
Originally posted by wideopen231:

Like said above 16 main issue according to FTI tech.

So why would FTI tech say 16 volt is main issue?

Back to original problem, did you verify that the solenoid is pushing the valve in proper depth?

September 02, 2023, 08:17 AM

wideopen231

only way to do that is to mic the plunger when engaged and measure valve depth and do the math. You can not see the valve when assembled.

I verified that if you have a solenoid on the counter straight wired to the battery. It will burn up. Check verified and order new.

Wish could visually verify and set to point in enough to operate but no extra for quicker hit.Old guys need help.LOL

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September 07, 2023, 10:33 AM

FTI

I don't see how 16V would of caused the solenoid to burn up either. I'm going to find whoever you spoke to here and correct them on that.

As previously mentioned we purchased the solenoid in question and resold them. We experienced several issues with them which is why we designed our own solenoid.

Based on the info I got from our own coil supplier for our new solenoids, the old solenoid coil had several things that could contribute to a coil burning up. We obviously improved on all of those things when we had the new coil made.

Chris I know I offered you a discount before towards a new solenoid. Have you ordered the new one yet? If not get with me directly and I'll make things right on this whole solenoid debacle.

-Dalton

September 07, 2023, 10:51 AM

rusty

quote:
I verified that if you have a solenoid on the counter straight wired to the battery. It will burn up. Check verified and order new.

how long did you leave it connected that way

September 07, 2023, 11:22 AM

wideopen231

quote:
Originally posted by FTI:
I don't see how 16V would of caused the solenoid to burn up either. I'm going to find whoever you spoke to here and correct them on that.

As previously mentioned we purchased the solenoid in question and resold them. We experienced several issues with them which is why we designed our own solenoid.

Based on the info I got from our own coil supplier for our new solenoids, the old solenoid coil had several things that could contribute to a coil burning up. We obviously improved on all of those things when we had the new coil made.

Chris I know I offered you a discount before towards a new solenoid. Have you ordered the new one yet? If not get with me directly and I'll make things right on this whole solenoid debacle.

-Dalton

Yes Dalton I just ordered it that day. Was totally pissed and just needed to get it on the way.

I did try to explain about old solenoids having issue and this is probably issue here. Not everyone reads that. I have no issue with the product you sell and try to tell others the same.

Oh new one worked fine. Hope that not jinxed myself.LOL

September 07, 2023, 12:51 PM

FTI

quote:
Originally posted by wideopen231:
quote:
Originally posted by FTI:
I don't see how 16V would of caused the solenoid to burn up either. I'm going to find whoever you spoke to here and correct them on that.

As previously mentioned we purchased the solenoid in question and resold them. We experienced several issues with them which is why we designed our own solenoid.

Based on the info I got from our own coil supplier for our new solenoids, the old solenoid coil had several things that could contribute to a coil burning up. We obviously improved on all of those things when we had the new coil made.

Chris I know I offered you a discount before towards a new solenoid. Have you ordered the new one yet? If not get with me directly and I'll make things right on this whole solenoid debacle.

-Dalton

Yes Dalton I just ordered it that day. Was totally pissed and just needed to get it on the way.

I did try to explain about old solenoids having issue and this is probably issue here. Not everyone reads that. I have no issue with the product you sell and try to tell others the same.

Oh new one worked fine. Hope that not jinxed myself.LOL

Glad to hear you got it working. You know where to find me if anything comes up.