Bracket Talk
Solenoid throttle stop in Sportsman ET
May 21, 2024, 07:27 PM
grpweld,a.k.a. your huckleberrySolenoid throttle stop in Sportsman ET
Hey everyone!
Do you know if a solenoid kick up idle stop is legal in sportsman et for launch assistance. The rulebook say throttle must be operated by the foot unless handicaped.A fellow competitor turns it on after his burnout. Kinda a grey area?
65 Malibu
3150#
9"
4L65
LS3 Full steel car.
May 22, 2024, 06:38 AM
CURTIS REEDMy opinion is absolutely not legal. Isn't there something in the rules about electronic devices?
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May 22, 2024, 07:00 AM
Curly1This has been discussed before and electric solenoid absolutely is not legal.
My understanding is the mechanical ones with a lever that raise launch RPM was legal but has since been outlawed?
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May 22, 2024, 07:16 AM
Curly1These are the type that I think have been outlawed. On my previous cars I had made one similar. It worked great but was not as pretty.
Can anyone verify if they are illegal now?
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May 22, 2024, 08:54 AM
Phil DeesThey were legal in D-2 in 2023.
May 22, 2024, 10:24 AM
GoobIt's only against the rules when someone gets butthurt.
goob- just one of the reasons i don't race bottom bulb
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Dave Cook
N375
May 22, 2024, 01:55 PM
CURTIS REEDquote:
Originally posted by Phil Dees:
They were legal in D-2 in 2023.
Electric solenoids were?
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May 22, 2024, 01:56 PM
CURTIS REEDquote:
Originally posted by Goob:
It's only against the rules when someone gets butthurt.
goob- just one of the reasons i don't race bottom bulb
Yeah, cause there is never any drama in S/P
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May 22, 2024, 10:30 PM
grpweld,a.k.a. your huckleberryFrom Div 7 Tech
No sir that would not be legal.
Thanks Pat!
Is a electric solenoid that raises the idle only at the starting line legal?
Thanks George Rodgers
65 Malibu
3150#
9"
4L65
LS3 Full steel car.
May 23, 2024, 07:21 AM
Phil DeesCurtis, not electric solenoids, I was answering Curly about the hand operated ones.
May 23, 2024, 10:49 AM
Emanquote:
Kinda a grey area?
Not so much a gray area as no one wants to tech and enforce the rules.
May 23, 2024, 01:03 PM
Goobquote:
Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
quote:
Originally posted by Goob:
It's only against the rules when someone gets butthurt.
goob- just one of the reasons i don't race bottom bulb
Yeah, cause there is never any drama in S/P
I have not encountered any S/P drama around here. 25 years waiting for it.
Back on topic, when I did research the legality, I determined that if the car was a model originally equipped with A/C, or an emissions / driveability related throttle control, mounted in the O.E. style, it would be legal.
Otherwise, absolutely not.
One could argue for a cable control, but only if it actuated the choke linkage fast idle.
"Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular."
Dave Cook
N375
May 24, 2024, 10:21 AM
EmanInteresting how it all always comes down to track's rules,
Recently saw where some tracks have lower et cutoff for Sportsman class than the sanctioning bodies class rules.
May 24, 2024, 01:28 PM
GoobKeep in mind that Pro class (no-box, transbrake okay) it's also illegal to have an adjustable starting line rev limiter within reach of the driver as well. Pick your setting pre-run, and roll with it.
"Local rules" always trump sanction suggestions.
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Dave Cook
N375
June 03, 2024, 03:58 PM
moparacerquote:
Originally posted by Goob:
Keep in mind that Pro class (no-box, transbrake okay) it's also illegal to have an adjustable starting line rev limiter within reach of the driver as well. Pick your setting pre-run, and roll with it.
"Local rules" always trump sanction suggestions.
What is this?.....Within reach of the driver? You can't adjust your starting line RPM if you are in the car?
What in gods name is that supposed to eliminate?
The driver having a better chance at winning?
You can have every electronic aid except a box, but don't adjust your stage RPM! lol
June 26, 2024, 11:31 AM
FootbrakeJimquote:
Originally posted by moparacer:
quote:
Originally posted by Goob:
Keep in mind that Pro class (no-box, transbrake okay) it's also illegal to have an adjustable starting line rev limiter within reach of the driver as well. Pick your setting pre-run, and roll with it.
What is this?.....Within reach of the driver? You can't adjust your starting line RPM if you are in the car?
What in gods name is that supposed to eliminate?
The driver having a better chance at winning?
"Within reach of the driver". Gee, Nothing subjective there...
How would tech even make that determination? Oh, wait - There is no tech anymore.
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June 26, 2024, 05:30 PM
BP758Exactly and I bet I can point out 5 or more that have it in place. Who’s looking? Nobody!
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June 27, 2024, 07:38 AM
TomRLast time I was teched driving a buddies car. The tech guy said I had to replace the 5-point harness due to it being out of date. I told him the car was slow and did't require a 5-point but he insisted that I had to replace the belts anyway. Even though it wasn't in the rulebook, it was techs decision on the matter.
"Ok, next week I'll be here with the original lap belt from 1965."
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June 27, 2024, 08:59 AM
Lenny5160quote:
Originally posted by TomR:
Last time I was teched driving a buddies car. The tech guy said I had to replace the 5-point harness due to it being out of date. I told him the car was slow and did't require a 5-point but he insisted that I had to replace the belts anyway. Even though it wasn't in the rulebook, it was techs decision on the matter.
"Ok, next week I'll be here with the original lap belt from 1965."
I do believe tech was correct in that case.
Tony Leonard
June 27, 2024, 09:43 AM
moparacerquote:
Originally posted by Lenny5160:
quote:
Originally posted by TomR:
Last time I was teched driving a buddies car. The tech guy said I had to replace the 5-point harness due to it being out of date. I told him the car was slow and did't require a 5-point but he insisted that I had to replace the belts anyway. Even though it wasn't in the rulebook, it was techs decision on the matter.
"Ok, next week I'll be here with the original lap belt from 1965."
I do believe tech was correct in that case.
Yep expired belts don't fly no matter what the situation.