Bracket Talk
Lithium Again
June 14, 2023, 07:37 PM
1320racerLithium Again
I’m sure this tire will be just as good as the C1550 which is a great tire!
June 15, 2023, 08:08 AM
TomRI think the fact that most people can't figure out how to do a burnout with Hoosiers is the main reason for the widespread use of M/T tires.
Hell, I broke I lot of parts when I drove a dragster due to tire shake. The M/T are far more forgiving, or so I am told. Haven't been in a dragster for many years.
72 Nova "Hooptie"
June 15, 2023, 08:47 AM
1320racerNonsense, there's no special technique to doing a burnout with Hoosier tires!!
Steve's comments are dead on!
FYI, I've owned my dragster 10 years now. I've ran 3 different part # and different size Hoosier slicks having 3 different compounds on it in that time and all were aired to between 4 and 6psi. The burnout was done the same on all and no tire shake but we don't do burnouts to the 330 cone either.
Further over the these 10 years, the 4 links bars are in the same holes they were installed when the car was built, the only thing I've done over the years is adjust ride height and preload.
Further yet, the shocks are the original, now 10 year old shocks and other checking to see where they were set, checking the gas charge and a slight adjustment, they remain the same today and have not yet been rebuilt.
We've broke NOTHING due to tire shake because we had no tire shake.
June 15, 2023, 09:17 AM
TOP38I don't care what anyone says about how good/great or whatever their XXX brand tires are! MT, Hoosier and GY all make a good product, if they didn't, they would not still be in business. The simple fact here is that it's your choice of what tire you choose to run...
The Monkey See, Monkey Do deal,,, look it certainly happens, however in the case of a large percent of MT Bubba's on dragsters these days vs other brands, and still growing, this has been ongoing for a number of years now for a reason. If they did not work, you would have seen a decline in their use long ago!
Big Steve, I know how to adjust my car, whether it's 4 link, shocks, converter etc! And MT's are my choice of tire! I have seen others try GY and Hoosier's with less than satisfactory results vs MT's. Both GY and Hoosier have tried to produce Bubba copies for years now and still haven't equaled them! However, your combo and or choice of tire is just that, yours! Go back to my first statement above!
Ed, show me a set of Hoosier's that will last over 300 runs on my car, print time slips for all 300 plus in a wide range of track and weather conditions and not try to shake your nuts off in the burnout! They don't have one yet. I will say I have heard the newer Bubba copy is a much more friendly tire in the BO. Again, go back to my first statement.
June 15, 2023, 09:22 AM
1320racerAl, I have never on any of my cars with any tire set out to set some kind of person record for bragging rights to putting the most number of runs on a tire. IMO that foolish. It's tough enough to win today why show up with tires that are past their useful life? I know racers that swap to new tires every 50 passes and one of them EVERY bracket racer knows of. That said, I had regularly put 225-250 runs on Hoosier's 34.5/17 without any tire shake and deadly consistency.
June 15, 2023, 09:28 AM
329Lquote:
Originally posted by Big Steve:
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Originally posted by Curly1:
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I did notice 90% of the dragsters there were running MT tires and there has to be a reason for that. Stating the Facts and you can ask them why they run them because I do not care.
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Just going to throw this out there, I bet 90% of those 90% do not know how to properly adjust their cars to make them work better if they did make a switch to a tire with better quality control that will hold air and not blister and chunk on fast top dragsters, that's why they wont even try. And MT takes that to the bank and have no reason to fix the problems with their tires.
Like it was posted above, its monkey see monkey do
^^This isnt a completly fair statement. The reason everybody switched to mickeys in late 2000s/early 2010s was because something changed with hoosier tires and most peoples cars started shaking. 1 after 1 people made the switch, and quit breaking parts, and shaking body panels off cars. People werent dumb 10 years ago, technology has changed, and chemicals and compounds have changed.
Funny, even the best out there that HAVE figured out the hoosier tire, said you still have to be ready when you start your burnout, that they will grab and shake hard if you arent careful. With that being said, im looking for a decent deal on a set of wheels, so that i can have a set of mickeys and a set of hoosiers, because there are tracks that MY car would benefit from 1 tire or the other.
Jeremiah Hall
June 15, 2023, 09:36 AM
SpeierRacingHeadsspeaking of lithium batteries, I just put 48v battery in my golf cart and I think it will keep up with traffic of interstate.
Chad Speier
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June 15, 2023, 09:39 AM
TomRquote:
Originally posted by 329L:
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Originally posted by Big Steve:
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Originally posted by Curly1:
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I did notice 90% of the dragsters there were running MT tires and there has to be a reason for that. Stating the Facts and you can ask them why they run them because I do not care.
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Just going to throw this out there, I bet 90% of those 90% do not know how to properly adjust their cars to make them work better if they did make a switch to a tire with better quality control that will hold air and not blister and chunk on fast top dragsters, that's why they wont even try. And MT takes that to the bank and have no reason to fix the problems with their tires.
Like it was posted above, its monkey see monkey do
^^This isnt a completly fair statement. The reason everybody switched to mickeys in late 2000s/early 2010s was because something changed with hoosier tires and most peoples cars started shaking. 1 after 1 people made the switch, and quit breaking parts, and shaking body panels off cars. People werent dumb 10 years ago, technology has changed, and chemicals and compounds have changed.
Funny, even the best out there that HAVE figured out the hoosier tire, said you still have to be ready when you start your burnout, that they will grab and shake hard if you arent careful. With that being said, im looking for a decent deal on a set of wheels, so that i can have a set of mickeys and a set of hoosiers, because there are tracks that MY car would benefit from 1 tire or the other.
That is when I drove a dragster, back in the early 2000's. Track prep is different now too.
72 Nova "Hooptie"
June 15, 2023, 09:45 AM
329L^^^AGREE 1000%
Ive been in a 4.50 dragster since 2009, and have seen the changes with prep. In 2009, tracks didnt go away after dark, like they do now, for faster dragsters.
Jeremiah Hall
June 15, 2023, 09:53 AM
1320racerBack to Lithium Again...1 hour ago, after sitting for 5 days, put the power on and the Racepak dash did energize and the fuel pump had a different tone. With this, we did not attempt to start the engine, rather put it on the charger for 3 minutes then all was normal and started right up.
June 15, 2023, 10:02 AM
TOP38quote:
Originally posted by 1320racer:
Al, I have never on any of my cars with any tire set out to set some kind of person record for bragging rights to putting the most number of runs on a tire. IMO that foolish. It's tough enough to win today why show up with tires that are past their useful life? I know racers that swap to new tires every 50 passes and one of them EVERY bracket racer knows of. That said, I had regularly put 225-250 runs on Hoosier's 34.5/17 without any tire shake and deadly consistency.
Ed,
You know that 300 runs was not a goal, it just happened, I had a new set ready to go on well before that number occurred but just couldn't take them off because they were so good... Nothing wrong with getting 200 plus runs either.
June 15, 2023, 10:07 AM
329Lquote:
Originally posted by 1320racer:
Back to Lithium Again...1 hour ago, after sitting for 5 days, put the power on and the Racepak dash did energize and the fuel pump had a different tone. With this, we did not attempt to start the engine, rather put it on the charger for 3 minutes then all was normal and started right up.
My XS 16 battery acts like that too
Jeremiah Hall
June 15, 2023, 11:01 AM
1320racerI’ve never had that issue with the XS POWER D1600
BTW, my statement above should have read “did not energize”
June 16, 2023, 08:29 AM
1320racerUpdate for those interested, those considering this swap.
As previously stated...
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Originally posted by 1320racer:
Braille Lithium installed on Saturday, reduced weight exactly 40 lbs.
yet despite now being 40 lbs. lighter going down track, this swap netted NOTHING on the time slip and therefore we will be selling the battery and charger.
June 16, 2023, 12:01 PM
seabassDid you Make the change at the track do a back to back?
J.R. Baxter
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Abruzzi
June 16, 2023, 12:33 PM
1320racernext day and used known cars that we race with every week as our barometer.
June 16, 2023, 01:55 PM
TomRA-B-A or you're just pissing in the wind.
72 Nova "Hooptie"
June 16, 2023, 02:55 PM
1320racerWith this swap you are

June 16, 2023, 08:43 PM
Curly1That 1842 Lbs is that with driver?
https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/"Dunning-Kruger Effect"
-a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.
Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.
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June 16, 2023, 10:23 PM
imakehpquote:
Originally posted by 1320racer:
With this swap you are
Yeah, Ediot uses that magical weight that doesn't really weigh anything. Psychics don't apply to his junk, just ask him.....

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