I modified a cooler line adapter to use for priming new builds...
Illegitimi non carborundum
September 23, 2021, 11:06 AM
433red
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I’m not looking at it right now but pretty sure the Oil goes through the adapter to the motor. Pump-filter-through adapter-across barbell-up to stock pressure port-through cam and lifters-down to crank.
After a closer look at my setup you are absolutely correct. Using the modified adapter I feed pressurized oil into the rear port to prime the engine while rotating by hand on the engine stand, the front port remains plugged. FWIW, the pump output pressure could be checked at the front passage way to verify the actual pumping pressure...
September 23, 2021, 11:35 AM
NC3x58
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Originally posted by Canted Valve: Sportsman racers are traditionally wet sump. It's familiar and inexpensive. But as long as they have been making LS Z06's, ZR-1's and manual trans Grand Sports, there are bound to be dry sump systems available at reasonable prices. Not all that knowledgeable but the dry sump LS3's have a forged crank with a longer snout.
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I have heard a lot of good things about dry sump systems for the LS platform, but I really haven't seen a need for them in Drag Racing applications, mainly road course/drifting where the sideways G-forces cause oil to slosh side to side in the oil pan away from the pickup tube. I would be curious if there is any power gains though with a dry sump system on some of the stroker combo's with the long strokes and windage etc.
Nick Craig
1971 Camaro Split Bumper 376ci LS3
September 23, 2021, 12:39 PM
Canted Valve
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I really haven't seen a need for them in Drag Racing applications, mainly road course/drifting where the sideways G-forces cause oil to slosh side to side in the oil pan away from the pickup tube. I would be curious if there is any power gains though with a dry sump system on some of the stroker combo's with the long strokes and windage etc.
You are certainly correct regarding sideways G-forces causing slosh. However don't overlook aeration of oil. David Reher warned of the "cyclone" on the inside of a wet sump system. Of course wet sumps have, and will continue to suffice.
Interesting GM is quick to claim a 6hp gain for their NPP exhaust system on the Corvette, there is no such claim for their dry sump system. Of course with a stroker and racing RPM it would stand to reason. Pro Stock runs dry sump for some reason. Don't know what their justification is.
Illegitimi non carborundum
September 23, 2021, 02:37 PM
Bucky
Roughly what HP build are you looking at Larry?
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
September 25, 2021, 05:15 PM
Bucky
My oil pressure issue boiled down to a missing cam retainer plate. As an LS noob, I didn't realize what I was missing. Great oil pressure now.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
September 25, 2021, 07:49 PM
Larry Woodfin
Bucky, the way it is taking shape I think 725 - 750 NA with Dominator on Methanol.
I will begin giving the details as the parts arrive.
It will have a Brodix BR3 head worked by Eric Weingartner.
The piston MAH197714865 will have around 12:1 compression
That's badass Larry. Very cool build. We are trying a stock bottom end 823 head build for my son's dragster. Over the winter we may throw a small single turbo on it to get it below super comp times and into the middle of the pack for many bracket races. Cheap way to do it anyhow.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
September 26, 2021, 05:16 AM
Footloose
Larry I do not know if you have heard a lot of those engines but Man do they have a distinct sound especially with 5 inch bullet mufflers. There loud too Sound awesome.
September 27, 2021, 07:42 AM
NC3x58
How big do you plan on making it Larry? a 415?
Nick Craig
1971 Camaro Split Bumper 376ci LS3
September 27, 2021, 08:46 AM
Larry Woodfin
Nick, it will be factory dimensions for LS3. 4.065 x 3.625 = 376 CI
Larry Woodfin
October 06, 2021, 06:55 AM
Yellow Ticket
While it may not fit along the lines completely of this thread, I did pick up a project LS for my fourth gen Camaro. After looking at the motor for a while I can definitely get used to it. There is a lot more simplicity than you might think. After all, it still has four bolt valve covers and I oddly appreciate the amount of O-ring type gaskets and lack of silicone it would take to assemble should I take it apart.
I can see a big advantage to this would be the fact they (LS’s) are already making a fair amount horsepower from the factory and have a fair amount of engineering, allowing for some higher RPM's. This way, the average racer is not trying to double or even triple the horsepower as we’ve done for years with a conventional small block Chevy. I can certainly with an Cam, intake an alcohol carburetor, I can see no reason an LS wouldn’t be a reliable efficient bracket motor.
My biggest fear is getting the wiring lined out on a street car so it’s not a hack job, but the coil on plug and lack of distributor really allows for a better fitment options for what I’m doing with it, not to mention fuel injection for the street will be nice.
The real problem is it’s super tempting to go ahead and bolt on turbo headers before I put the motor in!
October 06, 2021, 02:15 PM
Bucky
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not to mention fuel injection for the street will be nice.
Even aftermarket setups are easier on the LS since many of the ECU's offer harnesses for the LS that drop right on. This really makes it fast and easy.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
October 11, 2021, 09:18 AM
The Bozman
Would be nice to see a mini blower on the LS platform. That would be super cool, saw a SBF with a procharger in a dragster a couple of weeks ago.
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October 11, 2021, 02:34 PM
Bucky
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Originally posted by The Bozman: Would be nice to see a mini blower on the LS platform. That would be super cool, saw a SBF with a procharger in a dragster a couple of weeks ago.
I think the third post down is an altered with a magnison on an ls
Couple other small blowers as you scroll down.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
October 17, 2021, 08:43 AM
Canted Valve
Larry, Bucky and other LS3 practitioners. I just heard on a YouTube vid that LS3 engines have about 20* of variable camshaft timing. Is this true? If so I assume you have eliminated it for bracket purposes.
Illegitimi non carborundum
October 17, 2021, 03:51 PM
Larry Woodfin
Canted, You are correct. This is a custom, hardcore race build. Cam timing is fixed.
Larry Woodfin
October 17, 2021, 08:20 PM
Bucky
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Originally posted by Canted Valve: Larry, Bucky and other LS3 practitioners. I just heard on a YouTube vid that LS3 engines have about 20* of variable camshaft timing. Is this true? If so I assume you have eliminated it for bracket purposes.
I eliminated dod and vvt
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
October 17, 2021, 08:21 PM
Bucky
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Originally posted by The Bozman: Would be nice to see a mini blower on the LS platform. That would be super cool, saw a SBF with a procharger in a dragster a couple of weeks ago.
