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Originally posted by 1320racer:
I don’t see the issue, we use Biondo’s standard SLE

https://www.biondoracing.com/p...arting-line-control/

and go to launch rpm at the 2nd bulb on a handicap/bracket tree which means you’re wide open for .5xx. On a pro tree you’re at launch rpm the moment you get on the transbrake button.

It's not a deal breaker. But instead of pro stage opening when your first bulb lights it would be nice to be able to have it come on at the last bulb. Just keeps me off the limiter/converter for the additional second.

Dave

It’s on for 1/2 a second, not a second. Also if you didn’t go WOT until the 3rd bulb, you’re going to late and may catch as it’s going wot

I thought the K+R are hard set at 0.800 before transbrake release.

That's the default in the Mega 450 also, but I've always liked a little more time for some reason and set mine at 1.000.

I really like the SLE on the Pro tree, going WOT as soon as I set the brake.

Think you are correct Tony, I just watched one of our videos and it goes to launch rpm between the let go and 2nd bulb

I don't use a pro stage, just mat it on second bulb. I don't like staying on the limiter for long either....

Another thing I'm curious about....for those of you running the K&R and using the Z force option. Did it help or hurt your starting line routine? How do you like or dislike it? Do you think it helped with your consistency or overall reaction?

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Originally posted by Coloradoracer:
I don't use a pro stage, just mat it on second bulb. I don't like staying on the limiter for long either....

Another thing I'm curious about....for those of you running the K&R and using the Z force option. Did it help or hurt your starting line routine? How do you like or dislike it? Do you think it helped with your consistency or overall reaction?

My experience/opinion is that z force is most useful for someone who may find themselves over flinchy on the starting line and let’s go before the light comes on

Z force is a love it or hate type thing. I did good on the practice tree with it, but went brain dead in the car on the stating line so I hated it. Its polar opposite from just letting go so it will take some practice. The guys who use it and love say they are more consistent, it takes the pressure on the button factor and flinching issues out of the picture.

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
Z force is a love it or hate type thing. I did good on the practice tree with it, but went brain dead in the car on the stating line so I hated it. Its polar opposite from just letting go so it will take some practice. The guys who use it and love say they are more consistent, it takes the pressure on the button factor and flinching issues out of the picture.

My bet is the successful box bracket racers don’t use this method. Of everyone that uses this feature, it is probably in the 0.01% or less of total box racers. If you suck at releasing a button, you probably suck at pushing the button as well.

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Originally posted by markemark:

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
Z force is a love it or hate type thing. I did good on the practice tree with it, but went brain dead in the car on the stating line so I hated it. Its polar opposite from just letting go so it will take some practice. The guys who use it and love say they are more consistent, it takes the pressure on the button factor and flinching issues out of the picture.

My bet is the successful box bracket racers don’t use this method. Of everyone that uses this feature, it is probably in the 0.01% or less of total box racers. If you suck at releasing a button, you probably suck at pulling the trigger as well.

quoted for the truth!

I like it, it feels more natural to me. I also like that when backing up I don't have to hold the button. Consistency wise I may be a little better with it but I will switch to release if I'm struggling on the tree. Runner up at SFG million race last year uses it , he also had a really good run at the OG million last year, but he is very good either way he chooses to use.

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Originally posted by Buck2248:
Yep that would be nice if Kevin could redo the K&R so SLE could be set to whatever time you want it like the DD does.

My only issue with K&R.Not biggest problem in world but would like to be able to set were I feel it works best for me and not be predetermined by others.

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Originally posted by Big Steve:
Z force is a love it or hate type thing. I did good on the practice tree with it, but went brain dead in the car on the stating line so I hated it. Its polar opposite from just letting go so it will take some practice. The guys who use it and love say they are more consistent, it takes the pressure on the button factor and flinching issues out of the picture.

So far I love it.. Using a normal release I would find myself trying to push the button out of the steering wheel, now using z force I find that how far off the button makes a difference.
I use an adjustable button I had set really close, I could actually rest my thumb on it and at times release the car.

By the way when I first started using the z force, I set a practice tree up and sat in the car to practice. By the time I got to the track I was used to it so no issues with transition.

Dave

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Originally posted by David Covey:
So far I love it.. Using a normal release I would find myself trying to push the button out of the steering wheel, now using z force I find that how far off the button makes a difference.
I use an adjustable button I had set really close, I could actually rest my thumb on it and at times release the car.

By the way when I first started using the z force, I set a practice tree up and sat in the car to practice. By the time I got to the track I was used to it so no issues with transition.

Dave

I have the same issue with my stuff, I don't realize I'm doing it until I realize it. I push harder and harder on the button as I'm waiting for the light....Sometimes I notice myself doing it and other times I don't until I go to release...

Both Costelllo's daughters dragsters have a K&R. I've always said if it's made in Wisconsin, it'll win championships.

I think I've got a Mega 400 (red screen), when I got it I was the only at Sunshine with data. These run graphs everyone looks at these days, I've been looking at 20 plus years. That thing was way ahead of its time. Just saying.

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I push harder and harder on the button as I'm waiting for the light....Sometimes I notice myself doing it and other times I don't until I go to release...

I do not push the TB button until Both stage lights are On. If I’m first in I wait for my opponents stage light to turn On, then push my TB button and release brake pedal. This way my thumb is only on the button for 1 second on a 1.5 second release tree.

If you depress the TB button after staging first and wait for your opponent to stage, you can/ will become less consistent on the release waiting.

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Originally posted by markemark:

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I push harder and harder on the button as I'm waiting for the light....Sometimes I notice myself doing it and other times I don't until I go to release...

I do not push the TB button until Both stage lights are On. If I’m first in I wait for my opponents stage light to turn On, then push my TB button and release brake pedal. This way my thumb is only on the button for 1 second on a 1.5 second release tree.

If you depress the TB button after staging first and wait for your opponent to stage, you can/ will become less consistent on the release waiting.

That's a fact.

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Originally posted by markemark:

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I push harder and harder on the button as I'm waiting for the light....Sometimes I notice myself doing it and other times I don't until I go to release...

I do not push the TB button until Both stage lights are On. If I’m first in I wait for my opponents stage light to turn On, then push my TB button and release brake pedal. This way my thumb is only on the button for 1 second on a 1.5 second release tree.

If you depress the TB button after staging first and wait for your opponent to stage, you can/ will become less consistent on the release waiting.

And that's the other so called advantage to Z force, you can just roll up and push and release the button and just wait for the other car to stage, if he wants to dyck around then let him. As soon as you see yellow push again

For most of you age isn't in the equation but as my age progressed I became more farsighted and seeing the K&R screen is very difficult unless it's mounted right in front of your face and even then I'm too short to sit back far enough, the screen is very small. Anytime I was in a car that had one I was constantly worried that I didn't enter the correct numbers and it became a major distraction, something I shouldn't have to think about.
That being said, I don't see any advantage/disadvantage between boxes, Charlie and Kevin are both super knowledgeable of their products and easy to get hold of when needed.
It's also up to you to wire them correctly and securely and make sure to voltage drop all your power and grounds every once and a while. When I'm doing maintenance on someone's car I'm amazed how many times I find loose wiring that wasn't loose before.

I don’t think a change from releasing to pushing is going to make a miraculous difference for anyone, but I’m a big believer in changing things up once in a while if you get in a rut. Something like Z-Force is a good change option and forces a new level of focus until you get used to it.

Several years ago I was struggling badly on the tree. Two people stepped up and helped me, Jimmy Lewis and Mike Wiblishouser. I’m forever grateful to those guys for advice that they didn’t have to share.