VP vs Renegade Fuel

March 17, 2021, 06:01 PM

TD3550

Yes Q16 With a spec carb for it
Different boosters
Enlarged booster tubes and angle channels
Wide body metering blocks
Slightly different calibration on the emulsion.

Other than that "A good gas mask.
K16 -Oxygen 5%

Q16-Oxygen 9.41%

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March 17, 2021, 08:23 PM

WHOMPWHOMP

Renegade has the worse dye for staining everything it gets on....

March 18, 2021, 09:33 AM

HSMITH1039

I have dyno'd and raced with both.....with exact same results....only thing I noticed was it was a different color........Howie

March 23, 2021, 01:02 PM

kenbelanger

I have a friend that ran both with no difference other than Renegade is more affordable.

March 23, 2021, 02:16 PM

BG7X77

I have run both. Track sells VP I get Renegade from. A local oil distributor. Cannot tell when one is in vs the other. As already said only difference I see is money I save. Seems like a really solid product.

March 23, 2021, 09:36 PM

sc3171

I used both last season. Didn’t notice a difference at all on the track or on the racepak.

March 24, 2021, 05:29 AM

Paul S/Q

current drum prices I was quoted yesterday (these are not dealer price these were racer price )...

K16 -------$675.00
Q16--------$1085.63

your results may vary .... but we gave up on VP fuels many years ago when they decided it was made of real gold ...

March 24, 2021, 05:34 AM

HR3377

That is a really good price on the K-16 Paul.

March 24, 2021, 06:09 AM

1320racer

quote:
Originally posted by Chillin:
Looking at running either q16 or k16.

why do you want run either of these fuels and pay a premium to do so for little et reduction with a 632 bracket engine?

March 24, 2021, 07:10 AM

Cashflow

I’m on the same page as Ed on this one. Why spend money that you don’t need to?

March 24, 2021, 09:40 AM

BP758

There are 2 q16 fuels, one is .05 slower. What fuel are you comparing?

March 24, 2021, 07:25 PM

HR3377

If you have about 14-1 C/R or less you could run K-13 about a buck more a gallon than 112+ and will run cooler than regular gas, deadly on the ET slip too, and it wont kill you with the smell like Q-16

March 24, 2021, 07:38 PM

1320racer

or he can run Sunoco Supreme aka Blue with up to 16:1 compression

March 25, 2021, 09:10 AM

RPROGAS

My 15:1 conventional headed 582 ran the best MPH on Sunoco Blue. When I couldn't locate any Sunoco fuel I bought VP C-15, it lost a little over 2 mph and .08 ET. Same day same track, same D/A just slower (5.10 and a 5.11 @ 136 to 5.18 @ 134) and a gang more expensive.

The big difference was the higher 2:1 fuel $$$$$ bill. I still can't find any Sunoco Blue so I am going to try F&L SP-3, it's rated the same as the Sunoco Blue. 10 gallons of F&L cost me $98.00 (California state sales tax included). 5 Gallons of the VP C-15 was $103.00.

Bob

March 25, 2021, 11:27 AM

BP758

quote:
Originally posted by RPROGAS:
My 15:1 conventional headed 582 ran the best MPH on Sunoco Blue. When I couldn't locate any Sunoco fuel I bought VP C-15, it lost a little over 2 mph and .08 ET. Same day same track, same D/A just slower (5.10 and a 5.11 @ 136 to 5.18 @ 134) and a gang more expensive.

The big difference was the higher 2:1 fuel $$$$$ bill. I still can't find any Sunoco Blue so I am going to try F&L SP-3, it's rated the same as the Sunoco Blue. 10 gallons of F&L cost me $98.00 (California state sales tax included). 5 Gallons of the VP C-15 was $103.00.

Bob

If S works for you thats great. About what I’d expect if you didn’t tune for it. VP wants less timing usually depending on compression and prob fuel too. I’ve seen too many S fuels fail check out of a new can. We've tested a bunch of fuels on the pump. There’s a reason we run VP.

You watching the Fling??

March 25, 2021, 11:38 AM

RPROGAS

quote:
You watching the Fling??

Yep! Wishin' I was there, to quote Norm Crosby unfortunately I had an appointment with a sturgeon.

What's next for you? How's the trailer coming along?

Bob

March 25, 2021, 01:15 PM

B KING

I'm watching also!

March 25, 2021, 09:19 PM

BP758

quote:
Originally posted by RPROGAS:
quote:
You watching the Fling??

Yep! Wishin' I was there, to quote Norm Crosby unfortunately I had an appointment with a sturgeon.

What's next for you? How's the trailer coming along?

Bob

Well I was watching Brian go rounds wishing too, but Doug Bracey and I do have an appointment with a Sturgeon!
Trailers ok now, SCDIV1 helped me do the drive belt in my 7k Onan. Pretty good job all good now. Trailer is pretty much done. Just honey doo time, I’m headed to Watson’s to finish small things on the 650 and then deliver to Jeff. Two motors to go... waiting on parts..