They will be charged at night on solar power.

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They will be charged at night on solar power.

Bingo!

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
Actually, most of the EV charging will take place during off peak hours, when most power generation is ramping back.
There will be little impact on power systems as a result.

You mean like when people get home from work in the evening and plug in their cars at the same time when dinner is being prepared and people are taking hot showers, TV's are turned on, A/C units are running, maybe washers and driers, etc? Early evenings are one of the highest power usage times. 10PM-5AM are the low usage times, then would be the ideal time to charge up, good luck regulating/controlling that.

They didn’t tell the administration that!

Off peak charging will happen as many Utilities and PSC’s are as expected, two steps ahead of these doom and gloom forecasts
https://cleanenergy.org/blog/f...nsportation-program/

Just imagine all of those Cars stuck on I95 being electric vehicles....Stuck for 20 plus hours in the Cold..
Many traditional Gasoline powered vehicles ran out of Gasoline during the Highway shut down, how ever its much easier to dump 5 gallons of fuel into those stalled cars to get them moving and off of the Highway...How do you charge EV vehicles out on the Highway?? When you return an EV to the Rental Company how much will they charge you for fuel replenishment?? and what about Military vehicles out in the Field....MoGas trucks can refill the troops quickly,
I'm not sure anyone is two steps ahead of this fiasco....Any evacuation exodus will be disaster with EV's waiting in traffic or leaving with less than a Full Charge....

When millions of vehicles are being charged during "off peak" hours...It will not be off peak any more.

Other than lighting, most things cycle on and off according to need. Chargers run at full demand during the hours long charging period.

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Originally posted by SlyFox:
Additionally, the WSJ report laughed at US auto executives for getting into bed with Biden in search of subsidies for EV's, then he stiffed them. The WSJ report also described how the subsidies go straight into the pockets of the manufacturers, not car buyers.

For example (made up numbers) - GM knows that 500,000 people would pay $50k for EV's. If Biden grants a $10k tax subsidy to buyers, GM just jacks up the price to $60k, the buyer still pays net $50k ($60k sticker price minus $10k tax subsidy) and Biden just funneled $5 billion (500,000 x $10k) in taxpayer funds to GM. And we wonder why corporations are in bed with politicians .

My opinion it is both sides of the aisle.

ABSOLUTELY - it started with George W, Bush bailing GM out with taxpayer money, when he should have allowed them to go into bankruptcy.

Yes sir. Too big to fail should never be a thing.

There’s a simple solution to upgrading the grid so those owning/using EV can charge. There charging stations need to be run through a separate meter that instead of paying 0.15 a KWH of a homeowner, they pay $1 – $2 a KWH. Then that money to pay for the grid upgrade and maintenance. All government EV subsidy should be stop as well. Let those that consume pay it.

Everyone pumping gas / diesel pay fed/ state tax per gallon. EV should be same with KWH consumed for grid upgrade.

ain't seen anything yet. They're ramming this EV stuff down our throats but they don't have a clue how to implement everything. None whatsoever. This is on of many instances where our leaders (the current ones) are failing to lead.

I told you so. And I'm sorry to have said that.

The infrastructure MUST be updated, and if 2030 is the goal for EV, then we have 8 years to change every utility pole, all high and low voltage lines, most of the transformers, then homeowners are going to have to pay out the nose to have their posts installed, panels wired, etc. In my case, my little place is on a 100A service, all underground. That means the transformer has to be changed (3 houses on the same xformer), the UG conduit is too small to run a 2/0 wire through it per NEC, they'll have to dig that up, replace the pipe, wire, then the panels and install a post. I would be looking at about $10,000 roughly at this time, which won't do anything but increase. I don't have that kind of money. I'm sorry to say that I'm one of those poor boys in the South with a bracket racing addiction. One guy on here would say broke d-y-c-k, but I don't give a half a care what his opinion is. You work with what you have. Now, imagine how many other homes will have to have the same thing done, and how much money it will cost. The poco owns the poles, their wiring, transformers, etc., to yes I can imagine that they're not simply going to "eat" the cost of upgrading all of their stuff, rather everyone else will. They are a business too. Subsidies? Sure. They're still going to dupe the consumer regardless.

But look at the positive side. If consumers are forced into all this mess that also means consumers are going to spend a lot of money (forced to), and that can be good for the economy. 20 years from today, we might look back at 2022 and say "that president was a genius". There were many, way back in 'the day' that said Roosevelt was an idiot when he signed the executive order that started the CCC, but the CCC got many out of a jam. Maybe a big part of what got the USA out of a huge mess prior to the war.

On that note, dare I say this, but perhaps that is what the usa needs. Another war. Historically the economy has always done well after a war.

Agree--GM should have been left to fend for themselves. If I could go back and change the past, I would-but I can't. Nobody can.

On inflation. Inflation currently is rampant, there is nothing controlling it other than the federal government. The fed can't seem to figure out how to do anything, or they wont (hands in the cookie jar?), whichever it is. I saw this coming when Obiden tossed his name into the hat, and I predicted that if he "won", your cost of living would skyrocket. Guess what happened? Told you so. Inflation is so rampant that I honestly believe that if not in check, we can easily and likely will end up in another recession, possibly depression. At this time in my personal life, I cannot afford even a 3 year old vehicle. The prices of vehicles is outlandish. Prices of parts is outlandish. I hang onto my old cars for as long as I can. I bought a 2019 for $20k and the insurance alone is absurd. It costs as much to insure it as it does to insure the other THREE combined, with the same "full" coverage. With that, I'm selling it back to the dealership and going back to my old ones. Middle class ($30K-$100K/yr) working folks just don't need to be buying $400,000 homes and $100,000 cars. I fall into that category, BTW. My place cost under $100k, and I owe about 25%. I was doing well. However, like many others, the wages aren't keeping up with the cost to live. Typical when (for one thing) minimum wage goes up. The only beneficiary of a minimum wage hike is the government, more taxes collected.

/off my soap box for now. carry on.

Some great posts of the actual reality facing us.
Like the Bullet Train! Try and blow it right by you!

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All government EV subsidy should be stop as well.

And this guy agrees with you....

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The infrastructure MUST be updated, and if 2030 is the goal for EV, then we have 8 years to change every utility pole, all high and low voltage lines, most of the transformers, then homeowners are going to have to pay out the nose to have their posts installed, panels wired, etc. In my case, my little place is on a 100A service, all underground. That means the transformer has to be changed (3 houses on the same xformer), the UG conduit is too small to run a 2/0 wire through it per NEC, they'll have to dig that up, replace the pipe, wire, then the panels and install a post. I would be looking at about $10,000 roughly at this time, which won't do anything but increase. I don't have that kind of money.

You have this Infrastructure Upgrade backwards. We aren’t upgrading the service capacity to any individual residents. We won’t need to because you won’t be allowed to install these energy hungry chargers to your home service unless you can produce the power remotely (solar / wind) to power this device separately.

Instead you have EV charging stations no different than gas stations now. You pull in, plug in your CC and select the charging mode. Regular charge (30 min) Mid charge (20 min max) or Premium charge (10 min max). And you also have battery exchange docks there where you can drive in and the attendant switches the battery in the EV for one that is fully charged and you’re out even faster. Maybe even have different selection in the power capacity of the exchange battery you want installed at the time.

These charging stations would be feed from the new Grid with high powered 3 phase chargers that they will be paying for. Now the Feds/ State and locals can tax appropriately and everyone with an EV and those without one will be happy because they are getting all the power they want and not being subsidized.

Take care. Tom Worthington

The new loaded silverado has a starting price of only $104.000.000 The Work trucks will start at $39.000.

That's an awful lot of money for an electric Avalanche.

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Instead you have EV charging stations no different than gas stations now. You pull in, plug in your CC and select the charging mode. Regular charge (30 min) Mid charge (20 min max) or Premium charge (10 min max). And you also have battery exchange docks there where you can drive in and the attendant switches the battery in the EV for one that is fully charged and you’re out even faster. Maybe even have different selection in the power capacity of the exchange battery you want installed at the time.

These charging stations would be feed from the new Grid with high powered 3 phase chargers that they will be paying for. Now the Feds/ State and locals can tax appropriately and everyone with an EV and those without one will be happy because they are getting all the power they want and not being subsidized.

Where can we get some of that pot you been smoking?

Has anyone ask the Oil Industry what they think about all this EV talk.....asking for a friend....

"Switching out battery packs"?? Value in the $8000-$10,000 range, weight is about 500 to 1000 lbs and "skill to remove and install" will be critical due to shock and fire hazards.
Wait for a few years when flaws in maybe 10% of the battery packs becomes evident and EVs are abandoned and left for the bank to come get as repair/replacement of battery or damaged electronics is "off the charts" expensive.
I think I am going to look for a rust-free C10 pickup with a carburetor and HEI distributor and just sit back and watch the "fun" begin.

They are DREAMING if they think they can do ANYTHING by 2030.
Who in their right mind is going to spend THOUSANDS of dollars to upgrade their electric service at their home for NO gain in resale, etc.
I know around here having solar panels on your roof is about a $15k to $20k reduction in re-sale price due to all the extra maintenance cost (new roof every 10 - 15 years MAX, along with the regular "solar check ups", etc), kind of like having a pool.

And for the BIG Elephant in the room, what do you do for all those renters that happen to be foolish enough to buy an EV (renters are the majority of people that live in cities)? Who's going to pay for those installs?
Me being a landlord can tell you right now that I won't be.

Also, what about these same renters that don't have garages? I can see the neighborhood kids disconnecting the car in the middle of the night or better yet while the renter is at work someone just pulls up and plugs THEIR car in.

And as was mentioned these batteries do NOT last when sitting outside in the cold.
It was 6 degrees here this morning, warmed up to 18 during the day, I wonder how much battery life that cold temperature will kill.

NO WAY can these cars be charged in less than 6 hours and as was said, who in their right mind will be "swapping out" batteries, not too mention how many days it will take to do it.

Way too many things need to be worked out.