Who was the racer? And what race was it?
Yes, you are correct, I was thinking of the Matty Box.
Does it matter? I'm going to assume that the racer was accurately describing what those buttons do, WHEN A BOX IS IN THE CAR. If the race flyer did not explicitly prohibit buttons on the steering wheel, there's no problem as long as the box is out.
If the flyer did explicitly prohibit buttons on the steering wheel, that falls on the promoter although they may need help getting these things brought to their attention.
Well, maybe. Or at least the track.
Look, I am the first to discourage endless bytching online that really hurts tracks. There is no right answer for tracks in that case, and it seldom improves anything.
If some tracks have a problem that they are not addressing regarding cheating, and addressing it with the track has not helped, then maybe social media is the place to air it. I'm not in favor of making claims against racers without evidence we can see right here. But it's a free country!
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
There is nothing in Fern's post that sounds like cheating. Without more incriminating information, it would just be dragging a racer and/or event into the mud needlessly.
I have a close friend who races a dirt modified. Apparently, there is a lot of cheating that goes on in that arena. He said that when he first started, he had asked some of the other racers about some of the rules and was told that "if they don't check for it, it's not a rule." When you really think about that statement, there is a lot of truth in it . . .
Your missing the point. When a flyer says no boxes in or on vehicle, and its mounted clear as day in the car, thats a problem. The fact is overall, with these big races there is no way they can efficiently tech these cars. But when people blatantly violate the rules and no one does anything, it says alot about what the track and or promoter are willing to allow happen. 99% of the people putting on the races dont care who wins or how they won. They just want to complete the race and collect the profits. Its a business, not an ethical examination. And trust me there are plenty of people willing to exploit that!
Dead on with a zero on the issue of cars going down the track more than twice. I’ve also been to races where “new entry” time runs took 2 hours to run even though there were only 30 new entries that day. I think if that car has gone down the track it doesnt qualify as new entry. This just caters to the guys with multiple cars at these no time run races as they just switch cars with their brother/dad/cousin/teammate etc and now have an advantage on the others. I personally know of one that has triple entered races this year and won the race on that third entry that he shouldn’t of even had. The problem I saw with it was the promoter caught it and let it go. They need to make an example out of a few of these people and then it might actually stop.
If we could ever get back to a 1 car, 1 driver, 1 entry format and get rid of all the gimmicks in these events, then we might actually have a level playing field.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Stephen Hughes,
The Pull-Out....for when you want to work smarter, not harder!!!
Putting the rules on the flyer may not even matter...
Remember the Million when certain boxes were listed on the flyer as illegal to use? Remember they even employed someone to check boxes? Remember that they let people use those boxes anyway? They did nothing but waste ink and paper on that one....
for those interested in the Matty Box.... enjoy
"The closest known prior art to the present invention includes various devices which measure and store data during a race for review after the race, but which do not assist a driver during a race as does my drag race analyzer."
I couldn't agree more. all of the above is why I don't go to many of these races. It is out of hand and I know its going to happen before I even get there and that really makes the race a lot less fun for me.
I understand completely what you are saying. You are making a bold statement that isn’t true about promoters for one. And if you see someone cheating and don’t say a word then you are part of the problem. Why can’t you say something when you see it happening? Everyone is quick to throw out the dirty dozen which happened 20 years ago but won’t say who they think is cheating last week. From what I’ve heard there has been more tech than people here are willing to admit to.
There were a handful of cars in that race that had those boxes in question. And they were teched after every round and found to be legal every time.
And...? It was a clear violation of the rules as printed on the flyer. If promoters can’t get the simple things right then it is reasonable for people to question other areas of the event.
For the record. I don’t really care. I sold my stuff and spend the weekends at the beach.
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What I mentioned above is true because I saw it and I asked the question and he did not hesitate to tell me what each button was for.....It was a while back and I was not a participant so no reason to throw the man under the bus. I go to race, not to tech cars, tell the promoter how to run his race, point fingers, just race. If I pay to go in the gate I accept whatever happens in there-period. I have had my car checked after it ran dead on 5 times in a row, I didn't even have a line lock. I had the lining pulled out of my helmet at Maple Grove years ago as another car passed tech in the other lane missing 1 lug bolt on the rear. But you start letting the "are they cheating" thing get in your head you have already lost. By the way Conley, Ron Erks, Matty, John Highway, and the rest of that bunch stole a ton of honest racers money back then and got away with it because they just started racing at NHRA tracks where they weren't banned.
It may be a bold statement, but its true. Promoters and or track owners, dont care who wins or how. they want the event completed, and money in there pocket. I have seen it time and time again, where promises are made to crack down on this or that, it never happens. They flat out dont care, they dont have the time, and there not going to spend the resources to police it because it doesnt effect them. And to say I am part of the problem is laughable, say something, really, why??? You think there gonna act on it, you think i am the only guy who walked past the car and saw the box or whatever. come on man, your head is in the sand. And i never said a word about the dirty dozen, it was before my time and i could care less. The cheating going on now is far more advanced than that anyways. .
dragkid1990 quote(I know my dad had (he still has it actually) a delay box checker (some of y'all on here may not have a clue what that is) in his car years ago when we ran Super Street and the tech people freaked out when they saw it and said to take it out of course he did and for those that do know what that is know its only operation.)
Well not exactly the "only" purpose for a delay box tester.
Maybe you were. It's everybody's responsibility. Let's not take the mentality that "nobody will do nuttn about it anyway". I'm not into just taking my beatings whether I deserve them or not.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
Wait. What? I thought the prevailing attitude was that it didn't matter how many times the other guys got put back in, you have to beat everybody who lines up next to you anyhow? And if they already lost a couple of times, they probably weren't any good anyhow? Has this attitude changed? Have I ever mentioned I'd like to see NO b*ybacks? Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
It's all good as long as we are all playing by and are aware of the same rules.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
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