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Head & Neck restraints rule?

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September 17, 2023, 09:28 PM
imakehp
Head & Neck restraints rule?
Does anybody know the exact wording on who/what/ET/MPH is going to have to have these next year?


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Dave



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September 17, 2023, 09:49 PM
Big Steve
From what I understand any car in excess of 150 mph, driver is required to wear one.
September 17, 2023, 09:58 PM
imakehp
Geez, now days that's about everybody.....It seems that the NeckGen is the most user-friendly? My crew consists of .....me


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Dave



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September 17, 2023, 10:03 PM
Big Steve
Beginning 1/01/2024, Head and Neck Restraint for all cars over 150 MPH or faster, or 7.49 or quicker.
Clarification that neck collar, head sock, or skirted helmet must be used with a head and neck restraint.

"So remember even with the Hans you have to still wear a neck collar or wear a head sock or have a helmet skirt installed". This is to help prevent fire from going up inside your helmet. For TD I found the helmet skirt the best option
September 17, 2023, 10:28 PM
Cashflow
I like my head sock, helps keep the helmet clean.


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September 17, 2023, 10:37 PM
imakehp
Is it reasonably easy to put this shyt on by yourself? With a firesuit on, then getting into a dragster? Old guy in a kinda tight dragster


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Dave



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September 18, 2023, 12:01 AM
Alaskaracer
I have a NecksGen and it's super easy to work with. Hardly even know it's there


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September 18, 2023, 05:38 AM
Bucky
quote:
Originally posted by imakehp:
Is it reasonably easy to put this shyt on by yourself? With a firesuit on, then getting into a dragster? Old guy in a kinda tight dragster


It is limiting when getting in for me. I use the necksgen. The sock was a pain so I put a skirt on and that seems worse for putting on. It's all kind of a pain.
I get improving safety. But driving this down further speed wise seems to lack statistical merit to me. But that is another topic.
I will say it doesn't really affect my ability to turn and look at the finish line. Which is a plus.


Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
September 18, 2023, 05:41 AM
183N
Necksgen and a head sock here. Necksgen is very simple, I clip it to my helmet when driving around the pits, hop in, slip it over my shoulders and put the belts on then clip to the helmet. That takes a very short amount of time to get used to doing alone but no big deal.

I like the head sock because I can wash it once in awhile when it starts to stand up on its own and the helmet stays cleaner with some protection from my sweaty head!
September 18, 2023, 06:20 AM
pentastarrail
We (wife & I) use a Hans with a Head Sock. No need to put it on early. Get in the dragster, put on lap belts, sit and wait for the line to start to move, when ready I put on the head sock (which I like due to what 183 mentions, plus it stops the sweat from going in my eyes), lean forward, slip my Hans on over my neck, put my shoulder belts on, slip my helmet on, put on the clips.
DONE
It took my longer to write this than to actually do it IN my car.

Yes, it is any car going 150 MPH or faster


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September 18, 2023, 07:24 AM
Curly1
I use the Necksgen with a headsock, I tried some others that come down lower on my chest and it was almost impossible to put on inside my cage.

I certainly do not want to have to put it on BEFORE I get in the car and sit around waiting in the Texas heat. So that eliminated several brands for me.

We could probably debate on which brand protects better but the Necksgen is easiest to put on inside the car that I have found.

Pro 1 Safety belts have a magnet option that can hold your belts up on the cage and that really helps. Stick them up on the cage where you can reach them them put on Restraint and do your belts and arm restraints.

It is easier to have some help to get belts over the shoulder pads on the restraint but can be done by yourself.

Just like anything else in a race car you need to practice, have a system and order you do it and be able to do it in the dark.

You need to have a plan for FIRE, Brake failure or stuck throttle and you need to know what to do and be able to do it quickly, on fire after dark and at high speed if you get in one of those situations.

A head and neck restraint is another thing you have to do to race but when you get one that works for you and you do it is order or system it is not too bad.


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September 18, 2023, 08:33 AM
Larry Scarth
Is this for all classes, ie: SG, SST, SS, etc.? If so can I use a HANS and a neck collar?


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September 18, 2023, 09:02 AM
pentastarrail
Larry,
Yes, ANY class.
If the car goes 150 or more you need a Head/Neck restraint.
It is NOT class specific, just MPH specific.


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September 18, 2023, 09:16 AM
Larry Scarth
Thanks for the response.


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September 18, 2023, 09:41 AM
Lenny5160
I've only used it for one weekend so far, but I just kept the Necksgen attached to the helmet at all times. Put the lap belts on, then helmet/Necksgen combo, then put the shoulder belts on over the Necksgen. Seemed pretty simple.

I chose the head sock. Seemed easier to get that tucked under the collar of the jacket before putting the helmet on. Once the helmet was on, I forgot the sock was there.

Larry - I don't think a standard neck collar would be very comfortable along with the Head/Neck Restraint, but it is legal. (Edited my previous incorrect response after TomR posted the rule. Thanks, Tom!)

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September 18, 2023, 10:36 AM
CrewMan
What is the ET / MPH break for 1/8th?


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September 18, 2023, 10:41 AM
TomR
quote:
Originally posted by CrewMan:
What is the ET / MPH break for 1/8th?


Beginning January 1st, 2024, A head and neck restraint device/system
meeting SFI 38.1 is mandatory for any vehicle running 150 mph or faster
for 1/4 or 1/8 mile or running 7.49 (*4.49) E.T. or quicker or by Class
Requirements. An SFI 38.1 head and neck restraint device can be used
with, or without, a neck collar; when a neck collar is not used, an SFI 3.3
head sock or SFI Spec 3.3 skirted helmet is required.


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September 18, 2023, 11:23 AM
Al Alguire
I have a Necksgen and a Hans, I prefer the Necksgen for sure easy to use.


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September 18, 2023, 12:01 PM
183N
quote:
Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
If so can I use a HANS and a neck collar?


You can use a collar but I think it would be very uncomfortable when paired with the necksgen. I hated the collar on its own (my wife says it’s because I have a short neck!). They do make smaller collars designed for the hans though, not sure who makes them, maybe hans themselves?

Also just read this on a HANS FAQ:

Can I wear a foam collar or helmet support with a HANS Device?

Yes. Note testing has shown that a foam collar, or helmet support, adds weight to the helmet and the head that must be carried by the neck. This increases the chance of injury. This added weight is carried by the HANS in a crash. Wear a foam collar for comfort, not safety related reasons.
September 18, 2023, 12:07 PM
TomR
https://necksgen.com/utv-helme...ontal-helmet-support

2", 3" and 4" thick helmet supports


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