Just So Ya know.
They cannot shut down! It’s against their law! Did you know that?
They have the worst outbreak since covid started right now. You didn’t post that.
Post the facts
Over 82 % vaccinated right now and probably closer to 90 by now. That I hope will keep the deaths down.

Unfortunately most who passed were in care / nursing facilities.

Curtis,

My point was, the PEOPLE have the choice, i.e. no right or wrong decision.

Businesses (who I DID call stupid) are who I'm talking about in my second paragraph (NOT PEOPLE taking the shot or not).
Some businesses complain that they can't make $$$ for whatever reason then put STUPID rules in place (like masks and vaccine proof) to kill their customer count, then they complain about how their numbers are down.
To me, that's stupid.

Do they REALLY think that putting these rules in place will HELP their business.
Like I said, STUPID.

Realistically I see them going out of business soon. Most other restaurants around them are crazy busy while they only have a couple people. Not to mention they close by 7:30 PM every night even on Fridays and Saturdays (no patrons) while all the other places are open until 1 AM and very busy.

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Originally posted by pentastarrail:
Curtis,

My point was, the PEOPLE have the choice, i.e. no right or wrong decision.

Businesses (who I DID call stupid) are who I'm talking about in my second paragraph (NOT PEOPLE taking the shot or not).
Some businesses complain that they can't make $$$ for whatever reason then put STUPID rules in place (like masks and vaccine proof) to kill their customer count, then they complain about how their numbers are down.
To me, that's stupid.

Do they REALLY think that putting these rules in place will HELP their business.
Like I said, STUPID.

Realistically I see them going out of business soon. Most other restaurants around them are crazy busy while they only have a couple people. Not to mention they close by 7:30 PM every night even on Fridays and Saturdays (no patrons) while all the other places are open until 1 AM and very busy.

Frank, I got ya. I really just meant it kind of lightheartedly. Honestly I don't disagree with you about choice.

We are spoiled around here because there is basically no place that has any of those rules, or at least I haven't been in anywhere that does.

As I was typing this they just said on the radio though that Oklahoma is number 1 in the nation for Covid related hospitalizations. I don't know if it is correct or not but thought it was funny that they said that as I'm saying we have no rules.

1. You don’t have a choice where mandated by the fed, state, city, employer or business and whether it be the vaccine or masks.

2. When you take the politics out of the decision, there’s no reason not to get vaccinated. Oh and Trump, his wife and entire family is vaccinated.

That said, just remember if you chose not to be vaccinated and end up getting the virus and dying, your family will be told by the doctors and reminded everyday that your death was preventable if you had only been vaccinated.

We are vaxxed, no choice as without vax cannot see or take care of the elder family members. Day was to leave for New Years Nationals 82 year old Sister in law had heart/stroke. If happened 2 or 3 months prior, we would not be allowed in unvaxxed.

The virus is real, one extended family member gone and quite a few freinds have either gotten very sick or passed.

Things wondering about: where real data on effectiveness of vax in so short of time? After stating vax cures/eliminates it, people can still get and infect others? Now has to be vaxxed as it will not be so bad? Where real data? Need 75 years to produce records/data that leads to CDC conclusion in less than 12 months?

Fear of overwhelming hospitals with covid patients? Local news sounds like outbreak/satan bug/legend movie. Go to County view CDC hospitalizations and numbers not as advertised. Even worse walking in and out of ICU in small hospital every day for almost 2 weeks. Ask nurse how bad it is and get we do not see it here at all. Counting you sister we have 3 out of 15 beds used.

Sorry, we do not trust admin at all. Cannot figure real endgame but this has gone poorly. Lack of real tranparancy and solid info sounds too much like dictatorship nonsense. If nothing else, time has proven the looser restrictions here in Florida have given overall results better than average.

If they're worried about hospital beds and overwhelming health care workers, it was probably a bad idea to fire non-vaccinated health care workers. I don't see how opening the borders to 2 million illegal immigrants is helping matters either. We all know where they go for health care - straight to the emergency room that cannot deny them care.

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Realistically I see them going out of business soon.

I for one hope they loose their ass. Think to be soooo eat up with the dumb ass that you voluntarily enforce rules that is detrimental to you own existence because someone else said it was a good idea. That is brain dead stupid. I'm sorry Ed doesn't have the same "opportunity", he'd damn sure do it.

What would I damn sure do?

Several countries have abandoned the idea of mandates, this really looks to be going south in a hurry.

Several cities and states here in the US as well, including Denver. Companies are also hiring back employees who they say seem to be more healthy, who stood their ground and said no vaccine.

The wheels appear to be coming off this thing, someone has some splaining to do.

You can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.

Many Countries have backed off the mandates but much of the damage has been done. Most of the World has been FORCED or Coerced to take something we know nothing about long term effects. Simply because Government told you to. This is not about World Health it is about complete control of the World.

Trust the Government they are here to help you.

Also the Government has long been saying WE are the problem and Overpopulation and Global Warming. What next Forced Sterilization? For your own good of course because Government said so. And yet some of you would eat it up and step in line for forced sterilization. Maybe Euthanasia for older folks? Line up people, you asked for it.

Political? Our own Government is too involved in the Vaccine. Word is that our Government owns half of vaccine patent and that many members of congress own huge amounts of stock in the Pharmaceutical companies making the vaccines.
And yet they are asking (FORCING US) to trust them and take it.

Many teenagers have died days after the vaccine from some strange heart symptoms yet very few children have died from the Covid. Sweden and others said the potential risk is not worth the possible benefit to those in that age group.

Why is out Government still trying to force it in our Children?

For our older people especially those with diabetes, heart problems etc they probably should get the vaccine. But the children? Seriously? I could even understand forcing children to get the vaccine IF IT STOPPED THEM FROM GETTING IT OR PASSING IT. But it does not so once again you have to ask is the possible gain worth the long term risk which we do not know and they will not tell us.
The vaccine is protected from lawsuits and we are not to be told long term effects for 75 years. Why? If there is nothing to hide give us the facts and let us make the decisions. If it is all safe why they DEMANDING protection from all lawsuits?

Why are they blasting anyone who talks about remedies for those already sick (Vaccinated or not?) If they care about the health and safety of the people does it matter if they are safe because of vaccine or cure / remedy?

I really see something strange that we are not allowed to talk about possible cures or remedies to get over it quicker if you do get it.

I can not tell you what the real truth is but I can tell you we are being LIED to and misled about this and have been from the very start.

Dr Fauchi KNEW it was created in a LAB he was funding it! Yet he got on TV and said it came from a wet market or Bats? To me he needs to be put on trial and hung if he is guilty. People have died because of him.

And yet some of you still trust him and will eat up more of his lies like they are good. Get in line, he will be feeding you more S#!t sandwiches. Eat it up people.

Curly that about covers it.
Zero truthfulness, no real idea what effect it can have on children in their development years. Will the children with vaccinations have children with weakened or targeted weak immune systems?
Of course this sounds like a "conspiracy theory", unfortunately it isn't a conspiracy it is becoming documented fact about the lies. I hope guys like Fauci and the dingbats they put in charge of Public Health all go to trial and for sure lose the Federal Retirement packages they have, go to prison and maybe the death penalty as their misinformation they spewed covering their own a--es should be a crime against humanity.

I am not saying it is a Conspiracy theory, I am just saying I KNOW we have been lied to from the very start and it is time to get to the TRUTH before we go further.

Also I have a big problem with those trying to FORCE it up us when they have a vested financial interest in it.

And at this point Dr. Fauchi is lying to cover his tail. So I do not trust anything he says.

Looks like Covid/Omnicron is winding down. But I'm sure a month before the Mid Terms a new variant will emerge. Since this Covid crap started 2 years ago I got lucky and didn't get Covid or the flu or even a cold. That's a record for me since I was a kid. I did take Vitamin D and K and Zinc every day. Wore a mask occasionally and tried to stay away from folks indoors.

It was supposed to be a Battle against the Pandemic to protect the people.

Now it has become a Battle Against the people to protect the Pandemic.

This has helped the Rich and Powerful grow bigger.

The Canucks are the new pioneers of Bad to the Bone.

The Canucks took the wheels off the clown car with the clowns in it, and left it sitting on blocks.

The "Canucks" got nowhere with their Freedom Drive other than burn fuel

Trudeau did not budge and if anything, cracked down on them....declared it illegal even to stand along the rode in support and ordered his Gendarmes to enforce the law....

I'm not saying it's right or wrong only that the powers that be ain't allowing it !

Some of the demon-0RAT Governors must have read the tea leaves with elections 9 months away when they lifted the mask mandates.
The vaccine mandate will be next!

Trudeau is a coward and thinks his importing of immigrants to certain districts will assure he stays in power. This is information I got a from a solid, longtime business owner in Ontario. He said Trudeau is the worse possible nightmare, slightly leading Biden in destroying a once solid Country and economy. The Covid mandates are just the "tools" they require to hide what they did and are doing, nothing more.

Do any of you think its time for nationwide civil disobedience? Its gotten to the point that the government does not listen to the people. The government bureaucrats have become drunk on their own perceived power, some of the elected officials have forgotten how they got into office. None of them feel they are accountable to the public. Thoughts?

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Originally posted by maliciousintent:
Do any of you think its time for nationwide civil disobedience? Its gotten to the point that the government does not listen to the people. The government bureaucrats have become drunk on their own perceived power, some of the elected officials have forgotten how they got into office. None of them feel they are accountable to the public. Thoughts?

I saw a date US truckers plan on, the last thing we need is for violence. They'll declare marshall law and lock everything down.

The Canucks have shown the world how to do it peacefully.

It's coming soon to the US. Has already started many other countries, the media just doesn't cover it. It's all over FB though, hundreds of thousands peacefully protesting, from many countries.

The horn of Jericho