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Originally posted by Roger McGinnis:

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
No sympathy and hope the cops arrest his mom as well. Radical right wack job from out of town. Came with an AK-47 ready to kill humans. That’s all that is true. Rewriting history to say he was defending himself is just what I’d expect for criminals and Buffoons.

Not that it matters, but he wasn't carrying an AK-47. He was carrying a AR style MSR. And the real crime isn't that he was there with a gun to protect the property of an American, it is that the individuals who receive billions of tax payer funds failed to do their jobs of protecting that property. The real crime is that millions of American tax payers will have an increase in insurance premiums because the left won't let this be called domestic terrorism. Civil War is inevitable if we don't run the communists out of America.

Roger hits it out of the park.

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I'm reading a lot of judgemental opinions here. Don't know how, without complete facts, any judgement or opinion can be rendered. Listening to press reports or the MSM is an exercise in futility as they have an agenda to fill. There already conflicting 'FACTS' in this incident and I'm sure more to come. Ya'll take a deep breath, chill and wait for the real facts to come out.

https://www.nationalreview.com...s-release-statement/

From his lawyer a statement of Kyle's timeline.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
No sympathy and hope the cops arrest his mom as well. Radical right wack job from out of town. Came with an AK-47 ready to kill humans. That’s all that is true. Rewriting history to say he was defending himself is just what I’d expect for criminals and Buffoons.

maybe he wouldn't have thought he needed to be there if the left wing wack jobs from out of town was where they shouldn't have been doing things they shouldn't be doing.

I am not a criminal and far from a buffoon but I have two eyes that show me who the problem in society is.

ep-I said the guy should have stayed home. but it is what it is now for everybody involved.

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Amen

Paul, most of your facts are wrong. Dont allow your liberal attitude to cloud your judgement.

Easy for most of you to label an opposing view as liberal or communist. It’s typical. Have fun with that and I hope that reinforces your view to your buds. The fact is, I’m socially and politically as middle of the road as they come. More a Libertarian than I’d care to admit. I also feel fascism is a far bigger threat than socialism to America.
NBC TV said that Ben, but as a wise poster just said, wait and the facts come out in due time. I’m glad know one I or you know was gunned down by this kid. It’s a very sad deal for families morning their deaths. Show a little empathy for these victims.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
. Show a little empathy for these victims.

These "victims" were attacking Kyle. One of them fired a shot at him before Kyle was tripped up. The guy that was shot in the are (that hasn't been arrested), was pointing a gun at Kyle. The other two were shot when Kyle was on the ground. Kyle didn't shoot anyone that wasn't attacking him. Just the facts. They're out there if you'll just get off of your socialist ass and look for them.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
. I also feel fascism is a far bigger threat than socialism to America.

This shows how clueless you are about what's going on around you. Both are being applied by the left, not conservative Americans.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
Easy for most of you to label an opposing view as liberal or communist. It’s typical. Have fun with that and I hope that reinforces your view to your buds. The fact is, I’m socially and politically as middle of the road as they come. More a Libertarian than I’d care to admit. I also feel fascism is a far bigger threat than socialism to America.
NBC TV said that Ben, but as a wise poster just said, wait and the facts come out in due time. I’m glad know one I or you know was gunned down by this kid. It’s a very sad deal for families morning their deaths. Show a little empathy for these victims.

What empathy would there have been for the kid if it had ended differently? Everybody was a willing participant here. All victims were participating in violence and harming or killing Kyle was one of their last intentions. Not a choice I would have suggested for Kyle. But remember the intentions of his "victims" were not exactly pure from the get go nor at the end either. You get involved with anarchy, and there are prices to pay. And prices that SHOULD be paid.

What Webster defines as facism:

Definition of fascism
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

The right opposes as a rule centralized government first of all. That is key to the definition.

While national identity is important to most on the right. Race generally is not. There is a distinct difference between nationalism and racism. Unfortunately that difference is lost on those on the left.

Economic regimentation? The right wants none of that. We want less taxes, less rules, less influence of the government when it comes to economics. Less is better.

Dictatorial leader? No thank you I like the constitution myself. Very much so. I may agree with many (not every) of the current President's policies and views. But I do not want dictatorial power for our President. ANY president. I don't see any on the left or right wanting that frankly.

Force able suppression? Like social media filters? Like Polarized main stream media? Look I'm all about protests. Protest your a22 off for all I care. But when it becomes violent. When it becomes destructive or disruptive to the point where the freedoms of others are inhibited, it's time to stomp it. I didn't let my kid throw temper tantrums. But he is always welcome to express his views respectfully just like I would communicate to him. So again, not a thing for the right.

So what part of fascism do you figure the right is into?

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So what part of fascism do you figure the right is into?

He won't know until CNN does a report on it.

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I’m socially and politically as middle of the road as they come. More a Libertarian than I’d care to admit.

LOL! Had to laugh at that statement. My brother has said the same thing almost word for word and he's a closet liberal. He hates Trump, he jumps on lib talking points when possible, but while he won't admit it, he can't justify all the bad stuff libs do. So he tries not to associate himself, but he can't help himself. Kind of sad when you can't be honest with yourself.

I guess it's all relative. If everyone you are around is left....you feel pretty middle probably.

Empathy, an interesting use of the word. I have little 'empathy' for criminals as I cannot understand or have feelings for the violent, convicted criminals they are. Paul, you claim your a 'middle of the road' then claim your more of a libertarian. Which is it? Your state the kid was a 'right wing wack job'. You can't have it both ways. So which is it, liberal, middle of the road or a libertarian?

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So we turn 17 yr old kids loose to protect us?

We will take 17 year olds in the military to protect our nation and us.

does any on the left have any empathy for the innocent business owners trying to make a living who have had there livelihoods burnt to the ground.

the difference between right folks and left folks is we will listen to your thoughts and can agree to disagree. you call people you disagree with right wing wack jobs and fascists.

kind of shuts down conversation wouldn't you agree?

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
Easy for most of you to label an opposing view as liberal or communist. It’s typical. Have fun with that and I hope that reinforces your view to your buds. The fact is, I’m socially and politically as middle of the road as they come. More a Libertarian than I’d care to admit. I also feel fascism is a far bigger threat than socialism to America.
NBC TV said that Ben, but as a wise poster just said, wait and the facts come out in due time. I’m glad know one I or you know was gunned down by this kid. It’s a very sad deal for families morning their deaths. Show a little empathy for these victims.

Middle of the road Joe must be one of your buddies...

You are so far on the left side of the road you should be driving in London.

Or maybe you should pay more attention to the real facts and look at all the information before you decide to call people fascist.

That's called the cancel culture.

Paul,
I'm willing to have a discussion about what you are talking about. But you will get my opinion based upon reasonable facts and opinion.

Frankly I think the entire BLM movement is the wrong side for for reasonable people on the left or anywhere. The only thing about the movement, is the name. But after that is completely falls apart.
Folks on the left get all riled up when people say that other lives also matter. For no reason. There is no reasonable explanation that all lives should not be celebrated within reason. Everyone understands this, but many will dig their heels in and make a point of disagreeing. Stupid.
There are no statistics supporting the claim that there is a systemic racism problem in our country nor that police kill unarmed blacks at any obscene rate.
Then they take up the defund the police issue. More stupid, that is if you value your safety and your property. Nobody wants the police until they need them. They have a poorly thought out plan to subject social workers (who want nothing to do with this idea) to the criminal element to resolve whatever in their childhood is causing them to be thugs. And I dunno, bake em a cake or something. Where has this worked? Probably in about the same occurrence that socialism has worked as promised. Nowhere.

I'm sure you have a thoughtful response to all this. Fire away.

As far as Kyle.....we can all say he shouldn't have been in the situation. But he was. Should he not have defended himself and instead let the mob and at least one armed man have their way with him? Is that what you are suggesting? His fate was sealed when? When he left the house? When he chose to stand and defend? When he believed in something? Or when someone destroying property decided that some white little punk kid isn't going to tell me not to do something? If you are going to say that he shouldn't have been there, then the same can be said about those who met the open end of that rifle. No way they should have been there. And if they weren't there, neither would he be.

What say you?