Originally posted by Mike Rietow: It's not underhanded or unsportsmanlike if it's accepted.
Truth / Reality is spoken into existence.
That is exactly what I am talking about some do not care as long as they "Win". That may get you the trophy or put you in office but it does not get you any Respect. That is earned and for that you Lose.
He’s not a dirty racer and he’s not going up there looking for a free round. If you want to play staging games, he’ll show you that he’s better than you at that game.
Tony Leonard
June 09, 2021, 01:18 PM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by Curly1:
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Originally posted by Mike Rietow: It's not underhanded or unsportsmanlike if it's accepted.
Truth / Reality is spoken into existence.
That is exactly what I am talking about some do not care as long as they "Win". That may get you the trophy or put you in office but it does not get you any Respect. That is earned and for that you Lose.
Respect is a perception. There's a big difference in winning and being perceived as the winner.
The guy who was timed out and handed a red light in his lane, can claim in fact he never lost if the rule states the last move has to be, to *roll* forward to stage.
I'm waiting to hear how the rule is worded before coming to any conclusion, one way or the other.
If the rule includes the word *role* forward, the guy handed the red light in his lane never lost, regardless of how anyone perceives it.
No official or panel judges can arbitrarily decide he lost either, rationally.
June 09, 2021, 02:02 PM
Michael Beard
June 09, 2021, 02:28 PM
Chris Dixon
He applied power from his arm to the steering wheel to the front wheels.
June 09, 2021, 02:41 PM
Michael Beard
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Originally posted by Chris Dixon: He applied power from his arm to the steering wheel to the front wheels.
I'm sorry, the top posts in this entire thread are still those that claim that 'it doesn't matter that his second bulb isn't on, he's still staged'. LMAO!
June 09, 2021, 03:21 PM
Mike Rietow
It's a legal move.
Motion is movement and applied force, turning steering.
June 09, 2021, 05:57 PM
imakehp
Thankful I didn't know about this boneheads shinanigans, and even better, now I know I don't care about something I have never, nor ever will, run into because I get my a$$ staged and ready to race in a timely manner. But as usual, everybody here is happy (thrilled?) to argue about anything..
. Dave
F J B
June 09, 2021, 06:02 PM
SCDIV1
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Originally posted by Lenny5160:
He’s not a dirty racer and he’s not going up there looking for a free round. If you want to play staging games, he’ll show you that he’s better than you at that game.
When did he get to be the one who decides what a staging game is ? And what exactly is a staging game ? His opponent didn’t do shyt other than not stage before JBR. It’s a dirty move blinking the stage bulb on long enough to trigger auto start because your opponent didn’t stage to suit you. His opponent should clearly have realized what was happening but didn’t and it cost him. His bad there for sure but it’s still a dirty tactic. Legal yes sure, unless there is some kind of clear rule that says it isn’t.
Maybe dirty is not a good term for it, how about “shifty” or “sneaky”
If it happened to me I’d be pissed at him and me for being stupid enough to let it happen.
All’s fair if the powers that be allow it as I said previously.....This message has been edited. Last edited by: SCDIV1,
June 09, 2021, 07:21 PM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by SCDIV1:
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny5160:
He’s not a dirty racer and he’s not going up there looking for a free round. If you want to play staging games, he’ll show you that he’s better than you at that game.
When did he get to be the one who decides what a staging game is ? And what exactly is a staging game ? His opponent didn’t do shyt other than not stage before JBR. It’s a dirty move blinking the stage bulb on long enough to trigger auto start because your opponent didn’t stage to suit you. His opponent should clearly have realized what was happening but didn’t and it cost him. His bad there for sure but it’s still a dirty tactic. Legal yes sure, unless there is some kind of clear rule that says it isn’t.
Maybe dirty is not a good term for it, how about “shifty” or “sneaky”
If it happened to me I’d be pissed at him and me for being stupid enough to let it happen.
All’s fair if the powers that be allow it as I said previously.....
Nah, I think the powers that may be are doing the RIGHT thing according to how the rule is written.
The wrong thing (left brain authoritarian) to do, would be for the powers that may be, to decide arbitrarily, their interpretation of the rule, is gospel because they say it is.
We all know the intent of the rule, the problem with it is, how it is written, it's not explicit to it's intent.
It's a completely legal move according to how the rule is written.
It's not even a dirty move. There's no lie or deceit in it. If you're looking at your gauges, it's on you.
June 09, 2021, 07:25 PM
green1
Some tracks or promoters say no tricks on the tree so that would make it the starters decision as to whether it is legal or not. I would rather not put those type of things into somebody else’s hands to decide if allowed or not. I might get in first or last but only time I wait is until the prestige lights are on then I start making my move.
June 09, 2021, 07:31 PM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by green1: Some tracks or promoters say no tricks on the tree so that would make it the starters decision as to whether it is legal or not. I would rather not put those type of things into somebody else’s hands to decide if allowed or not. I might get in first or last but only time I wait is until the prestige lights are on then I start making my move.
Yeah, you don't want the track officials deciding drag races.
You want drag races deciding drag races.
June 09, 2021, 07:34 PM
SCDIV1
It is not a simple thing to rule against that is for sure. It’s clearly allowed and some think it’s great and some don’t.
Typical in today’s environment.
It does add some drama to an otherwise pretty boring sport.
June 09, 2021, 07:50 PM
Lenny5160
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Originally posted by Mike Rietow: We all know the intent of the rule, the problem with it is, how it is written, it's not explicit to it's intent.
Do we? My interpretation of the intent of the rule is that you can’t back into the stage bulb. A driver could do that to be as deep as possible, but it opens up the possibility that the driver forgets to put the car back in a forward gear before launching.
As long as you aren’t moving backward to stage, or are pushed forward by something, the intent of the rule is satisfied.
Again, that’s just my interpretation.
Tony Leonard
June 09, 2021, 07:56 PM
BG7X77
I would argue he is still moving forward by turning of the wheel. He is "going" forward at an angle. It just forward it say rolling. His wheel goes closer to the beam hence "forward ".
BG
June 09, 2021, 08:30 PM
1320racer
How many times do you have to be told, there are no rules with big $ bracket racing. You pay to play! It’s gambling and with all gambling there are hustlers that not only know the game better than you but can control the game and the outcone too. JBR ain’t schooling anyone that has a clue and knows the hustle too.
June 09, 2021, 08:58 PM
Toad1
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Just stage and forget about it. Always wanting to be LAST, can cost you if you don't understand the Auto-Start procedure and settings. I don't dislike it or like it, just part of the "automated tree starting system: (AUto_Start) everyone wanted to prevent being "quick treed by the starter" whining.
[/QUOTE] He’s not a dirty racer and he’s not going up there looking for a free round. If you want to play staging games, he’ll show you that he’s better than you at that game.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!
Billy Duhs - BD104X@gmail.com
June 10, 2021, 07:06 AM
RacerVX54
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Originally posted by Joe Burkleo: Does everyone on here have a short memory or what. We already hashed this out a couple years ago when he did this at the Million in Vegas. It wasn't well received there.
No excuse for anyone falling for his game at this point in time as it has been so well discussed both on and off line.
As was said he is a very good racer and this is just one of the things he uses to gain any advantage possible. At these big money races every round is important, especially when you get into the money rounds.
Facts.
"Just Shut Up and Race"
Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.42 @127
June 10, 2021, 07:37 AM
Mike Rietow
The move isn't a free round, it's a gamble taken, on the path of least resistance.
It's a gamble because your opponent could be looking to gamble on the path of least resistance too, by turning his stage bulb ON simultaneously to you turning yours OFF. In that case the move backfires, and the red light comes on in your lane.
June 10, 2021, 08:52 AM
Lenny5160
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Originally posted by Mike Rietow: The move isn't a free round, it's a gamble taken, on the path of least resistance.
It's a gamble because your opponent could be looking to gamble on the path of least resistance too, by turning his stage bulb ON simultaneously to you turning yours OFF. In that case the move backfires, and the red light comes on in your lane.
Both drivers need to be fully staged for some amount of time before the tree is set. .300, .500, something like that. Otherwise a guy blinking the stage bulb while going in second would just get the red light all the time.
Same is true when JBR puts the stage light on briefly to start the timer. He knows how long he needs to hold it there before turning it back out.
