If all he did was turn his steering wheel to pull the wheels out of the beams then turn them back into the beams then technically you could say he didn’t stage in the forward motion. Just a thought.
June 07, 2021, 05:20 PM
ferndaleflyer
To me its hard to imagine anyone not being aware of that. The other guy blinks the 2nd bulb you can get in, give him a 5 count and go in, or most of the time head for the trailer because you timed out.
June 07, 2021, 05:44 PM
1320racer
Autostart has been in use for 20 years and many still don’t know how it works evident by this guy getting timed out and the replies here that think it’s 7 seconds This message has been edited. Last edited by: 1320racer,
June 07, 2021, 06:09 PM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by ferndaleflyer: To me its hard to imagine anyone not being aware of that. The other guy blinks the 2nd bulb you can get in, give him a 5 count and go in, or most of the time head for the trailer because you timed out.
These guys who make a big deal about not going in first, typically take at least one good look at their temp gauge, i'd imagine it is then when the other cat activated auto start, by turning the stage bulb on momentarily.
June 07, 2021, 06:28 PM
Mike Rietow
This happens when you're predictable.
Anything that is predictable in your driving, is a vulnerability.
June 07, 2021, 07:42 PM
banjo
So if he would not have got back in, would it have been a double red light?
How does the front tire move forward when he turns the wheel? Is he at an angle to the starting line going in?
Bill Simpkins 74 Nova SBC 406 3240 pounds Speierracing heads
60 1.27 (10/16) 1/8 6.03@111 (10/16) Best 9.87@131 on the rev limitor 1 Feb 2013
I don't play kiddy games when I'm staging, so I don't give a shyt if it's seven seconds or seven minutes...let the other guy make the mistakes....I'm there to race, not impress the girls. All I care about is I have to wait for the other lane to light his/her first bulb to light my 2nd....then a clock starts. That's why this was of interest to me.This message has been edited. Last edited by: imakehp,
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June 07, 2021, 07:56 PM
green1
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Originally posted by banjo: So if he would not have got back in, would it have been a double red light?
How does the front tire move forward when he turns the wheel? Is he at an angle to the starting line going in?
Banjo when you are barely stated and turn your wheel it will pull the wheel back just enough to pull out of the beams. You now have your car sitting exactly where you want it and just have to pull the wheel back straight to be staged. Guys started pulling this trick years ago at a local track and the track shut it down.
June 07, 2021, 08:07 PM
banjo
Unless I am looking at it wrong, it looks like when he turned the wheels to the right is turned the stage beam on?
Bill Simpkins 74 Nova SBC 406 3240 pounds Speierracing heads
60 1.27 (10/16) 1/8 6.03@111 (10/16) Best 9.87@131 on the rev limitor 1 Feb 2013
By NHRA standards autostart is 7 secs for the pros and 10 secs for sportsman classes.
For these big money bracket races or any bracket race for that matter the tracks can set it to whatever they want. Its on the racer to know what it is set at. JBR knew, as soon as he tripped the stage beam with his wheel flip he started counting.
June 07, 2021, 08:35 PM
TonyB6255
Watch JBR stage, he gets himself set up for this move pretty much every time by turning his wheel before both top bulbs are lit. He then knows that all he has to do when someone is trying to stage last after 2 top bulbs are lit is turn the wheels and start counting....
Want to avoid this,? Don't play stupid games with one of the best in the biz or you will get a stupid prize and possibly your own thread on Bracket Talk.
June 07, 2021, 08:44 PM
Mopar Traitor
JBR and Hunter have this down as good as anyone I have seen, if you are going to play with them, you better at least know what triggers the countdown...
June 08, 2021, 12:37 AM
SLICKSTER
Johnny gave that guy a first hand lesson that that racer wont forget. With the caster built in to the design, bump the beam on,turn wheel, wolla beam out. The next step wait for a few and point the wheels straight beam on and time out for the other lane. When Johnny's opp. told his possy Ill run this thing out of fuel cause im gonna make him stage first.
June 08, 2021, 07:01 AM
CURTIS REED
I don't know the guy but I'm curious. Does everyone have to stage before him or he does this?
June 08, 2021, 07:43 AM
pauley
quote:
Originally posted by CURTIS REED: I don't know the guy but I'm curious. Does everyone have to stage before him or he does this?
this is what I am saying. so what I am hearing from other post about playing games and nobody has a God given right to stage last, it appears to me that jbr stages last or he pulls the trick on his opponent. so I guess jbr has the God given right to stage last.
ep-ok, got it now,jbr stages last. I will remember this if I were to ever run him because he has the right to stage last.
let me be clear. I don't care, nor does it effect me and I have done things against people because I know their staging process and routine. and I don't know what said by each competitor before the run. people think it is cool and funny, and it is to a point.
June 08, 2021, 07:47 AM
Turk
Being these are special events not sure if you go by NHRA and IHRA rules, the last motion must be a forward movement. So turning the wheel to trick the autostart system and messing up the person in the other lane thinking you are not staged yet is outside the rules. Can the starter actually see it happening, could he back you off the line and force both to restage , could the track manager/ race director force a rerun. I guess it depends on the rules of special events.
Can the person in the other lane have a valid complaint about this and demand a rerun? You know its going to happen and how will events handle this.? If this was a points or regular bracket race where ihra and nhra rules apply then yes he could complain but these big money special events don't usually have rules that covers this that i have seen.
June 08, 2021, 07:56 AM
ferndaleflyer
Watch-- you know the ones that adjust their helmet, belts, gloves, bounce up and down in their seat, eat a cracker---all while you are waiting. Most of them do it while you have one light on and they have none, I guess they think they are cute.
June 08, 2021, 08:11 AM
SCDIV1
Racing has DE-volved IMHO becasue of things like this but it's been a big part of the game for a very long time.
This tactic is pretty damn clever and I'm not so sure I could do it myself successfully.....never tried and never would.
Big money on the line, all is fair unless the race director says otherwise...
Just think of how burn downs were used going back 30-40 years in Pro Stock or how about John Force likes to deep stage sometimes.....Does he do it to for a better RT or does he do it to distract his opponent....probably both.....
NHRA has their rules and bracket races are a completely different deal
I've made an idiot out of myself at least a couple times racing a deep stager in Super Et and it was always my own fault for not thinking it thru and staging as I should have.
The stage light turn on and off trick to trigger AutoStart, to me, is about as unsportsmanlike as it can get but since it's allowed don't get bit by it or by the "racers" that are known to use that tactic....
Not that it matters, but there's no way I'm racing in any event that allows this to occur and that's just my opinion....
June 08, 2021, 08:27 AM
RacerVX54
quote:
Originally posted by SCDIV1: Racing has DE-volved IMHO becasue of things like this but it's been a big part of the game for a very long time.
This tactic is pretty damn clever and I'm not so sure I could do it myself successfully.....never tried and never would.
Big money on the line, all is fair unless the race director says otherwise...
Just think of how burn downs were used going back 30-40 years in Pro Stock or how about John Force likes to deep stage sometimes.....Does he do it to for a better RT or does he do it to distract his opponent....probably both.....
NHRA has their rules and bracket races are a completely different deal
I've made an idiot out of myself at least a couple times racing a deep stager in Super Et and it was always my own fault for not thinking it thru and staging as I should have.
The stage light turn on and off trick to trigger AutoStart, to me, is about as unsportsmanlike as it can get but since it's allowed don't get bit by it or by the "racers" that are known to use that tactic....
Not that it matters, but there's no way I'm racing in any event that allows this to occur and that's just my opinion....
1000% giving the history of those that do its cheap IMO.
"Just Shut Up and Race"
Brian Martin Martin Racing 5.42 @127
June 08, 2021, 08:28 AM
Mike Rietow
quote:
Originally posted by Turk: Being these are special events not sure if you go by NHRA and IHRA rules, the last motion must be a forward movement.
This is a rational case against this. It'll never happen though at these types of races. The worst customer on the property next to the guy who wins too much and hurts the car count, is the guy who makes a big deal out of staging last, thus holding up the race.
Lots of pressure on these promoters to get these races done, to keep the wheels turning forward.
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