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Originally posted by 1320racer:

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Originally posted by M120:

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
Who?

If asking me, Tuning by Kiwi ring a bell! Reddish GM product. Granted he can hold a tenth or dial honest but is always near his dial.

Never heard of him

He ain’t heard of the internet blowhard that talks a bunch of shyt but ain’t every won anything worth talking about named Ed Pigley either, so you’re even.

6 pages of garbage and internet trolls being keyboard ninjas. SMDH

I would like to run alcohol with EFI but don't know anything about it. I don't want to have to rely on someone to go racing. I'll stick with my carb for now.

P u s s y

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Originally posted by 434 olds:

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Originally posted by pauley:
Wish retow was here to give his opinion on the subject.

ep-s h i t would get straight then

Are you nuts!

Yes he is!

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Originally posted by 434 olds:
Not that it matters but i`ve been EFI since 2006 on a SBO and bracket raced it up until 2013. Then i changed engine combo`s for a 706 with the same EFI system to go T/S racing. Now i just upgraded to the Holley Dominator system and i just have to get it on the chassis dyno for final tuning. Mike at TNT Performance will be doing the tuning and he supplies me with all of my EFI parts for me and my business. In heads up racing he does a lot of carb deletes where these guys running big inch engines with carbs on race gas are going EFI on race gas. EFI corrects everything that you cant tune with a carb. That`s a fact.

Leaving the cost out of the equation here, this is a good topic! There is no such thing as a dry intake track, everytime the intake valve closes there is a reverse pulse which contains fuel. That said you certainly have more cylinder to cylinder tuning ability with EFI. I haven't followed the EFI deal lately but from the start of EFI, carbs made more power until ??? TACSA Ford did a lot of work just to get close to the power the motor made with carbs moons ago. No shortage of $$$ or brains there either.

For bracket racing, carbs rule for a number of reasons, that doesn't mean either MFI or EFI doesn't work in this application. Max effort stuff is another story where you need many experts to get the entire combination to run fast whether its tuning EFI, suspension, etc.

With EFI and so-called dry intake tracks, power loss due to the air column having less density than air and fuel reduces VE. I believe the max effort EFI stuff now has some fuel added in the plenum's now to account for this loss of VE.

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Originally posted by TOP38:
For bracket racing, carbs rule for a number of reasons

Nuff said since this is a bracket racing forum despite the OP not being a bracket racer nor his POS FED a bracket car.

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Originally posted by TOP38:

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Originally posted by 434 olds:

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Originally posted by pauley:
Wish retow was here to give his opinion on the subject.

ep-s h i t would get straight then

Are you nuts!

Yes he is!

come on Top and 434 , wouldn't it be fun reading?

ep-entertainment man....entertainment

Ed you are pos and so is your pontiac and we all know what that stands for. See bytch anyone can say that shyt.

Ok I am not a bracket racer and your are.That is the biggest compliment ever. Get through your stupid lil fuc-ing head it does not mean shyt to me. Not a bracket racer so fuc-iing what?
read the signature line everyone is so upset over it is after all just for you.bidens opinion means more to me than yours and that starts below zero.

If it is not a bracket race related thread why are you here? Other than to show what a bytch you are. The more you bytch the more I am going to post.No where in op did I say carbs did not occupy more engine bays. I said I noticed a lot more than used to be are injection.

We get it something different scares you.

Babble your canda$$ off all you want I am done playing with the retard.

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Originally posted by wideopen231:
Ok I am not a bracket racer

We KNOW!

So besides not being a bracket racer you’re an illiterate redneck idiot and we all know that too


Rich knows it...

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Originally posted by SCDIV1:
endless posts asking about mostly meaningless BS

Billy knows it...

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Originally posted by BD104X:
I would say 100% of these conversation-starter posts are just a way to humble-brag about your combination consisting of obsolete alcohol hemi parts and how you made 1/2 of them by hand.

YT knows it...

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Originally posted by Yellow Ticket:
I'm sorry but I gotta agree. you just to come up with fairly lame excuses for not racing.

He knows it...

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Originally posted by M120:
1320 I don't know him and he don't know me, but he's not wrong.

Al knows it...

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Originally posted by TOP38:
All of your posts ask this or that and 99.9% don't apply to bracket racing topics.

Last, use spell and grammar check before you post! Ya,, we all aren't spelling and grammar experts, but you take the cake for sure.

Paul knows it...

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Originally posted by 434 olds:
What cracks me up with you wideopen231, you keep posting one right after another and sometimes you answer your own f u c king questions.

So to use your words…

“If it is not a bracket race related thread why are you here?”

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Originally posted by pauley:
Wish retow was here to give his opinion on the subject.

ep-s h i t would get straight then

Why did Scott ban him?

The Camaro street car that he put together runs pretty well IMO. He did have something to offer until he would go off the deep end on some topics. Was that why Scott banned him?

I would think it was all his political BS...

The only guy I know who claimed his big loss was an example of how Democrats are taking control of the world. Wonder how long they planned to steal that round from him?

Will say he did have some stuff to add tech wise. As stated up to point he started into the big round steal.

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Originally posted by M120:
Mark,
I agree with you on your thoughts about EFI. It's pricey for sure on a max effort engine and the knowledge needed to run it is daunting. Injectors aren't cheap!

I know a racer(FB) that runs TBI that has done well in the past. Pretty sure over 25 years.
The Holley Sniper system looked great when it first came out but had issues.
I see they have a second generation Sniper coming out. Pretty much saying, we had issues and hopefully they are fixed. Curious how much HP they can support. Maybe I'll start a poll!

Actually, the injectors are one of the less expensive items if normally aspirated and especially on gas. Even some very good ones (FIC) for methanol that I use in a sbc are only $800 a set. The ECU, wiring and intake manifold modification (I used Induction Solutions) is much of the expense.

Where the cost is somewhat reduced is in the data acquisition the ECU provides. Holley Dominator and HP ECU have Excellent DA. Now you do not need a separate DA device.

I like/ prefer digital dashes and Holley has a very nice selection that fully integrate with these ECUs. Though expensive, the display customizing is what I found to be well worth the cost.

Efi is probably the way of the future. Hopefully, bring more youngsters to track. Since tuned from
a computer it is more in their wheelhouse. While programming is more difficult for old guys that grew up with tuning being a hands getting dirty job and understand carbs and/or MFI better. For the younger generation computers is just second nature tool.

More clueless comments!

NOTHING is going to bring more “youngsters” to the track!!

What we do is on life support and the plug will be pulled sooner than later.

I have only seen a couple aftermarket FI cars in nobox. Moderately competitive but not a game changer. Maybe more time/tuning.

Grandson asked why DI and I explained FI gives great tune matching on street cars to make what would be deemed un drivable work.

From a pure full throttle situation, likely no difference between FI and carb other than response to minor weather change.

Have good buddy has FI equiped faster 10.0 car. Is fighting problems with printing slips. I have no idea what inputs are for fuel curve or timing. May even be a fixed curve with minor adaptation. He is new to setup so just more time may allow it to improve. Last weekend my car moved .02, his .07.

Muggs.

Thanks for a reply that actually applies to the poll. Rather voted or not. At least it is info.

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Originally posted by markemark:

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Originally posted by M120:
Mark,
I agree with you on your thoughts about EFI. It's pricey for sure on a max effort engine and the knowledge needed to run it is daunting. Injectors aren't cheap!

I know a racer(FB) that runs TBI that has done well in the past. Pretty sure over 25 years.
The Holley Sniper system looked great when it first came out but had issues.
I see they have a second generation Sniper coming out. Pretty much saying, we had issues and hopefully they are fixed. Curious how much HP they can support. Maybe I'll start a poll!

Actually, the injectors are one of the less expensive items if normally aspirated and especially on gas. Even some very good ones (FIC) for methanol that I use in a sbc are only $800 a set. The ECU, wiring and intake manifold modification (I used Induction Solutions) is much of the expense.

Where the cost is somewhat reduced is in the data acquisition the ECU provides. Holley Dominator and HP ECU have Excellent DA. Now you do not need a separate DA device.

I like/ prefer digital dashes and Holley has a very nice selection that fully integrate with these ECUs. Though expensive, the display customizing is what I found to be well worth the cost.

There is an exponential price increase once you get over 220 lb's. the selection of the dashes is getting better too. When the price of data collection is considered, the efi is a lot more practical. No ignition box needed either.

run what works for you. Mine is mfi but using an efi system for control of the spark. Just not using it to control fuel. It works "gooder" than any carburetor I've ever run and I've used many, from all the big names. Just an example, the system I am using has multiple tables which can be switched on the fly. I am starting/idling on gasoline one on spark table, then when switched over to meth, another table. Ultra stable starting and rpm control at and near idle not to mention having control over individual cylinder timing among many other things. Footbrake car. EFI has it's place and it can and does work, but it can take a while to get the tuneup to work with your ride. Been through it.

MAVMAN,

You do now now that you do not have a bracket car since it has MFI? It does not matter if you run on a dial-in and can lose if go too quick. You know it has me cookie cutter to qualify as a bracket car..LOL

Thanks for reply and good luck.