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EV's are far from being as reliable and cheap to operate as gas / Diesel powered vehicles. Not to mention the fact that it takes way too long to charge them and they have a limited range.
Until they resolve those issues myself and most Americans will not be buying one. Not saying it will never happen but they are far from it now.

Even if they were right now I am not in the market for a new car. For my truck, I may have to tow 500 miles in one day pulling a very heavy trailer. An EV simply could not do that.

On my daily driver I have often drove 800 to 1200 miles in a day and one time I had to make a short notice drive to Las Vegas and back. 2500 miles I drove in 48 hours and that trip cost me around $130 in gas. Plus I ran 70 to 80 MPH plus with AC on and radio blasting the whole time. No way you could do that in an Electric Vehicle.

And nobody has been really able to tell us exactly how much it cost to charge the car and how many miles you get from that charge to get a cost per mile.

Plus we all expect well over 200,000 miles from our gas or diesel powered cars and trucks with out any major costs other than gas, tires, brakes etc. Batteries may cost $15,000 to $30,000 or more and no way those will last 200,000 miles. If the batteries lasted 14 years and or 350,000 miles then that would be different. We know about how long current batteries last and surely the EV batteries will not be that much different.

And something nobody is talking about right now batteries are very expensive because Lithium is hard to get. That may get much worse (more Expensive) and demand grows. So there is a very real possibility when your battery does go dead and it will that you may not be able to replace it or it simply may cost more than car is worth.

I am not concerned about the EV cars that got flooded in hurricane exploding. You flood any car it is pretty much scrap.

And my last point is if they make the EV cars better, more efficient and lower cost then the people would be all over it and they would not have to try to force it up us.


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I have nothing against EV's...however....with all their current issues, I do not believe they are ready for prime time no matter what the greenies think...FWIW, I have never seen a car going up in flames at the gas station unless some dope lit it on fire through stupidity...my race car caught on fire once at the track...my Halon extinguisher put it out in less than 10 seconds...and...I made that round...
 
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What about electric wheel chairs with lithium batteries? Are they safe?
 
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No one is forcing anyone to buy an EV, that decision is all theirs!


Many of the auto manufacturers are on board with the EV stuff and of those, many have announced the end of internal combustion models in the near future. It will get to the point where we won’t have a choice.

That is shoving their agenda down our throats.


You're right of course, Ed also said everyone will have to take a clot shot eventually, in order to work.

Don't pay any of his drivel any mind.

 
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Ya'll let me know when I'm wrong about something.

I'm all about keeping it real.

Even at my own expense.
 
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What about electric wheel chairs with lithium batteries? Are they safe?


Not submerged in water, they're not.
 
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Subsistence existence, serving the state (world government -corporations).

They tell you in movies what they have in mind for the future.

Watch this movie, at the end, the individual spirit in everyone watching, prevails (awakens).

They show their greatest fear, losing control of the minds of the many.

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Ed also said everyone will have to take a clot shot eventually, in order to work.

Don't pay any of his drivel any mind.

1. Says a clown who makes a meager living assembling Chinese junk is a storage unit.
2. Post the quote or STFU
 
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Ed also said everyone will have to take a clot shot eventually, in order to work.

Don't pay any of his drivel any mind.

1. Says a clown who makes a meager living assembling Chinese junk is a storage unit.
2. Post the quote or STFU



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Now for the rest of us that aren’t self employed or living on government handouts or working for minimum wage, you either get vaxxed (aka take in the A-Hole) or don’t work in most states and that’s the new normal, not likely to change soon if ever in my lifetime.


Can you make this a little tougher next time?

That was too easy.

There are consequences for being creative, taking it in the A-Hole ain't one of them.


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The group I listed is YOU! now what part of the truth and the facts don’t you like.
 
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The group I listed is YOU! now what part of the truth and the facts don’t you like.


No it's not, I live on less than meager wages, I drag race for relaxation, and I've never taken a handout, never will.

I could live under a bridge and be happier than you, proof being you take it in the A-Hole for money - Job.

You'll do the same when it comes time to drive electronic cars. Wink

This is relaxation.

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EV's are far from being as reliable and cheap to operate as gas / Diesel powered vehicles. Not to mention the fact that it takes way too long to charge them and they have a limited range.
Until they resolve those issues myself and most Americans will not be buying one. Not saying it will never happen but they are far from it now.

Even if they were right now I am not in the market for a new car. For my truck, I may have to tow 500 miles in one day pulling a very heavy trailer. An EV simply could not do that.

On my daily driver I have often drove 800 to 1200 miles in a day and one time I had to make a short notice drive to Las Vegas and back. 2500 miles I drove in 48 hours and that trip cost me around $130 in gas. Plus I ran 70 to 80 MPH plus with AC on and radio blasting the whole time. No way you could do that in an Electric Vehicle.

(This can't be at today's gas prices or that would be over 100 mpg.

It takes 25 minutes to charge from empty to full (90%. You don't charge to 100%) and mine goes real world 275 miles on a charge on the highway and 300 in the city.

I could easily accomplish the same trip as yours in the same time frame)

And nobody has been really able to tell us exactly how much it cost to charge the car and how many miles you get from that charge to get a cost per mile.


(I have 2,000 miles on my tesla and I've spent $140 in electricity charging.)

Plus we all expect well over 200,000 miles from our gas or diesel powered cars and trucks with out any major costs other than gas, tires, brakes etc. Batteries may cost $15,000 to $30,000 or more and no way those will last 200,000 miles. If the batteries lasted 14 years and or 350,000 miles then that would be different. We know about how long current batteries last and surely the EV batteries will not be that much different.

(I've never had a car go 200,000 miles without major problems.

Teslas have been proven to go 300,000-500,000 miles without issues, not all, and there's always going to be issues with everything. )

I can but a battery pack for mine for $5,000 right now, but the reality is full battery replacement is almost never a necessity. )

And something nobody is talking about right now batteries are very expensive because Lithium is hard to get. That may get much worse (more Expensive) and demand grows. So there is a very real possibility when your battery does go dead and it will that you may not be able to replace it or it simply may cost more than car is worth.

(Lithium isn't the only compound, and the makeup of these batteries is ever changing. The compounds don't go bad, and are recyclable. It's currently being done. The cost to mine for compounds is going down every day because it's being reused from old batteries. Battery failures are mechanical, the compounds never go bad. So expect battery cost to dramatically decrease over the next 10 years)
I am not concerned about the EV cars that got flooded in hurricane exploding. You flood any car it is pretty much scrap.

And my last point is if they make the EV cars better, more efficient and lower cost then the people would be all over it and they would not have to try to force it up us.


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To respond to Will. When I had to make that quick run to Vegas and back gas was under $2 a gallon most every where except Las Vegas. Would cost way more than that now due to Brandon. My car gets 35-42 MPG on highway.

If your electricity charge for your car is $140 for 2000 miles that is really good.

To be able to charge in 25 minutes from empty is not too bad.

And if Teslas can go 300,00-500,000 miles with nothing major that is great.

Interesting information and curious to see what you think about them in a few years. I still think the EV cars are still far away from being a better solution than gas powered vehicles. But I am a racer I am always looking for improvements and better way to do things.


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-a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.

Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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How's that working out for you.
Just another reason why these vehicles are impractical.

https://www.fox35orlando.com/n...-after-hurricane-ian

I know here in CT Realtors HATE seeing Solar panels because it kills the home value by 10%, same as a swimming pool.
I don't get it.

Anyway, rant over.


I agree with most everything you said about EV cars and Solar power. Except as for the EV cars that were flooded. Those cars in my opinion is not much different than gas powered cars that are flooded. They are basically totaled and Salvage Title. I would not want a flooded car gas, Diesel or electric and would expect problems from them if you got one.

As for Solar the return on investment is usually not nearly worth the cost and I agree with not wanting them on my roof.

I will be building a South facing Solar Patio which will shade South side of house and provide enough solar power to run my whole house most of the time. When I designed my house I did in a way that solar would be quick and easy and get good sunlight. I will be doing it myself and not paying the huge markup / rip off that many are charging. The problem with solar really is not the technology it is the salesmen who are trying to get 5 to 10 more than the cost of them. All Companies must make a profit to survive and grow but this is ridiculous. At the prices they are charging it takes too long to recover the cost and simply not worth it.

I am not opposed to change as long as they are improvements and right now as far as I can tell EV cars are not any where near as good. I hope they do get better.

Lol, there could be a huge new market opening up for roadside Charging. Nice truck, diesel generator and you come to them when they are stuck to charge them back up.


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"Dunning-Kruger Effect"
-a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.

Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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Will, this is not a hater question just curious about something an owner posted. Is it true that you have to call Tesla for a flat repair or tire replacement?



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Will, this is not a hater question just curious about something an owner posted. Is it true that you have to call Tesla for a flat repair or tire replacement?


No, I actually hit a giant pothole on one of our wonderful California highways, like 4" deep and the size of half a car and killed the sidewall on both right side tires, poking a hole in the front one. I took it to America's Tire and they used the Pirelli manufacturer warranty and replaced both tires.

It's just a pirelli Pzero tire, like most performance oriented cars, nothing unusual.


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Thanks Will, I thought that sounded crazy even though I shared what he had written.



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Here this will work just fine. Real flame thrower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhf223jGIE&t=1s
 
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So far my experience has been that commuting with a tesla costs about 8x less in gas then the Tahoe I had before. It's considerably more simple and convenient to plug in and charge from home then going to a gas station and waiting for a pump, fling up and going about my way. Instead it takes me like and extra 5 seconds when getting out of my car at home from work to plug in, and I'm done. I don't sit there and wait for it to charge. When I get up in the morning it's all ready, full tank and off I go again.

My wife used it the other day because she had to work in San Francisco, 60 miles and 2 hours away, it took 20% of the battery to get there. Total round trip was 38% battery use on a 4 1/2 round trip. That trip cost a whopping $8. Gas here is $6 - $6.50 a gallon. How many gas cars are able to drive in commute traffic for 4 1/2 hours, 120 miles on a gallon and quarter?

Just sayin, I thought teslas were stupid too a couple years ago. But as a commuter car, I wouldn't have anything else at this point. And I'll bet most everyone under 60 will own one in their lifetime.


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6.86 @ 198 trying for more......

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Here this will work just fine. Real flame thrower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhf223jGIE&t=1s


What a shyt show - LMAO. At least the guy has fab skills.
 
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