Pretty interesting how Chevy nailed their EV truck design.
I think they said it can recharge in an hour using the highest DC charging station.
https://youtu.be/WqzApRm0nis?si=i7IiK_5tnp7U-0sR

Nice truck but can you get a charger as big as the commercial sites to charge at home?? If not then that’s a huge delay.
460 miles is great though..

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Nice truck but can you get a charger as big as the commercial sites to charge at home?? If not then that’s a huge delay.
460 miles is great though..

The DC fast charger is also called Level 3. I’ve not heard of a home version. Level 2 or 240vac chargers seem to be what most use. That trucks battery pack must be massive. I’m thinking for most, that DC fast charge is great on a trip with intermediate stops, but for everyday use, could shorten the battery life?
https://www.greencars.com/gree...lic-dc-fast-charging

Hummer EV has a massive battery and it won’t get close to 400 miles. Like most EVs, what they say and what they do are vastly different

Fast charging and long range are a big step in right direction.

Questions not really answered was.
1. How long do those batteries last?
2. How much do they cost to replace?
3. How much does truck cost?
4. How much does fast charging hurt life of batteries?

We need to know these things before you can make a realistic cost effective decision on them.

It will be interesting to see what the cost per mile and total ownership cost is as prices of electricity go up with demand and green demands. I will give it to them that the advancements are good.
Not sure that the overall environmental impact is as positive as advertised.

Besides the economics of owning any car or truck, those other things definitely matter.
To me a big one is, will America or China dominate this new industry? I want to see these jobs right here in America. Few things upset me more than seeing how Corporate suits sold out many otherwise thriving American Industries. Textile, electronics, bicycles, tools … you name it.

From a standpoint of being an EV, seems like best choice dragging car local for testing. Likely 225 - 250 range pulling camaro on open trailer puts me in range of 3 local tracks.

Just replaced 18 year old Suburban, too many developing issues to keep. Bought an off lease Silverado with under 40k miles for 1/4 to 1/3 of likely EV price. 23/24 mpg empty and 15 - 16 towing trailer.

Ex daughter in law bought Tesla for commute and around town in very urban area. Works great for her but she also drives less than 150 miles/week. She says max range on full charge about 275 miles cause she got cheapest one.

Decent tech, but like anything else it needs to fit application.

The bigger issue is the carbon footprint for building an EV. Larger than its fossil counterparts. So where’s the trade off? They don’t want to discuss this..
I’m seeing they are talking about not allowing Hybrids in the HOV lanes??? Originally made for high occupancy! Now they want an EV lane only??
See where they are going???
Rabbit hole!

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
Besides the economics of owning any car or truck, those other things definitely matter.
To me a big one is, will America or China dominate this new industry? I want to see these jobs right here in America. Few things upset me more than seeing how Corporate suits sold out many otherwise thriving American Industries. Textile, electronics, bicycles, tools … you name it.

I agree with all that

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Few things upset me more than seeing how Corporate suits sold out many otherwise thriving American Industries.

Your emotions maybe misplaced. Said suits are primarily saddled with making profits while working within the confines of the law. So the sellouts are those that made the laws that made it more profitable to sellout American industry. Maybe our political "representatives" should be the focus of your concern. Truly hate to bring it back to politics but one has to address the root cause and not dance around the symptoms.

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Few things upset me more than seeing how Corporate suits sold out many otherwise thriving American Industries.

Your emotions maybe misplaced. Said suits are primarily saddled with making profits while working within the confines of the law. So the sellouts are those that made the laws that made it more profitable to sellout American industry. Maybe our political "representatives" should be the focus of your concern. Truly hate to bring it back to politics but one has to address the root cause and not dance around the symptoms.

Like myself, you can share your opinion. Unlike you, I’ll not try to say you’re confused or misinformed or argue.

The best use of electricity in America would be to energize the border wall. Well, build the wall first of course.

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Originally posted by Canted Valve:

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Few things upset me more than seeing how Corporate suits sold out many otherwise thriving American Industries.

Your emotions maybe misplaced. Said suits are primarily saddled with making profits while working within the confines of the law. So the sellouts are those that made the laws that made it more profitable to sellout American industry. Maybe our political "representatives" should be the focus of your concern. Truly hate to bring it back to politics but one has to address the root cause and not dance around the symptoms.

Like myself, you can share your opinion. Unlike you, I’ll not try to say you’re confused or misinformed or argue.

I thought that was a fairly respectful reply by CV.

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I’ll not try to say you’re confused or misinformed or argue.

It certainly wasn't an effort to argue. I did offer alternative perspectives and tried to give reasons for a different perspective. It was not and effort to offend or demean. When we can't consider opinions, with some degree of rational offered, then we're subject to an echo chamber of like minded thoughts.

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Originally posted by adv ET 266:
Besides the economics of owning any car or truck, those other things definitely matter.
To me a big one is, will America or China dominate this new industry? I want to see these jobs right here in America. Few things upset me more than seeing how Corporate suits sold out many otherwise thriving American Industries. Textile, electronics, bicycles, tools … you name it.

I just returned on Friday from a two week trip in China. I spent the majority of my time in Shanghai but also spent some time in the Shenzhen area. Just by my observations, the EV market is huge there. EV cars are identifiable by their green license plates and it seemed as if at least half of the cars on the road were EVs. The majority of those seemed to be locally built as well. Riding in many DiDis’ (their version of Uber) I realized that the cars were very nice and seemed to be well put together. Of course, the two areas I spent time in were huge cities where EVs do extremely well and they are also supported by great infrastructure.

Similar to here, the government there has incintives for EVs. A license plate in Shanghai requires $250 (I believe) fee to enter the lottery to even get one. Once chosen the person has to pay $10k-12k for the plate (can’t remember the exact number). There are additional fees to have access to the elevated ring roads etc. For EV owners, they still have to go into the lottery but the $10k+ number is waived.

Note: those numbers are USD.

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the two areas I spent time in were huge cities where EVs do extremely well and they are also supported by great infrastructure.

Large coal fired power plants produce 50+% of that electrical infrastructure in China.

Mikey Can you comment on how metro China EV users are charging EV’s when the owners park on the street or community garage? How about the economics. Gas vs kWh power costs?

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the two areas I spent time in were huge cities where EVs do extremely well and they are also supported by great infrastructure.

Large coal fired power plants produce 50+% of that electrical infrastructure in China.

Not sure what you read, but I see 40%. Check the power mag link below. In America, Coal power plants are be closed fast. Same with bunker C oil plants. Even modern gas powered combined cycle plant growth is low to non now. Most large utilities are going renewable at an amazing rate. NextEra FPL has zero plans for new fossil fuel generation. Solar PV technology is advancing at an amazing rate. I worked in Power Generation for 30 years. At a recent retired team lunch, we got an update and I was blow away. Hydrogen mix with bio gas seems to be the new fuel to replace NG on larger combustion turbines. All the major turbine suppliers have prototypes running on this. FPL has their own running at the CC plant in Okeechobee.
https://www.powermag.com/globa...-plant-construction/

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In America, Coal power plants are being closed fast.

They’re in the middle of changing over the coal fired power plant that services our area to NG that is scheduled to be completed in 2028. This past year the electric rate was increased 20.8% and NG increase was 44%. Who cares what it costs the consumer, just get it done in the guise of global warming. I view the EV mandate exactly the same.