Are the "splitting" of b*ybacks as common in big buck bracket events as they are in local bracket races? Locally, it has become nearly a given. First and/or second rounds are just another timerun, because both parties have already decided to put up half of the cost of the b*yback to advance. But that might only be $20 to guarantee admission into the third round. How about these big buck bracket race events? When a b*yback might cost $100 or even much more, are "splits" pretty much a given? Take care. Tom Worthington

I don't know of anyone and I believe it would be very few splitting buy backs around my home track. Maybe some who are very close friends that end up racing each other.

Tom, you have made it real clear you will not ever do any buybacks or Big Money races so I am not sure why you are even asking this question. Unless you are trying to start a discussion to talk people out of Buy Backs and Big money races. They are popular because people like them.

They are not going to change nor will you. We all get it you do not like Buy backs. I can understand and respect your opinion even though I do not feel the same.

I like the buy back races, I tend to set it on kill first round and if I cut it too close I can buy back. Payout is usually better to. On races with out buy backs I tend to be more Conservative first round because if you lose you load up and go home. Still buy backs does not play much if any part of decision on where I race. Many more things much more important to me like track conditions, how long a tow to get there, pay out, and more.

I agree with you on the Big money races I just do not enjoy them so I do not run them any more. We do race for FUN, remember that? But for those who like them more power to them. It is racing so you run what you want to and do not worry about the rest.

Like Super Comp, I do not like it but I know many of the best racers in the Country run it. Just because it is not my deal I do not want to eliminate it, I want it to grow and prosper even though I have no desire to ever run it. Same with the No Prep deal, I think it is crazy but many like it so go for it if that is your deal. If you do not like it then do not.

I think a track to be profitable now needs to have many different types of races every month and not same thing every week. Give the racers and spectators something different and they support what ever they like best.

You have made many threads about Buy Backs and Big Money races and they will continue as long as people support them.

Seems to me that you want to eliminate the Buy Backs and Big Money races simply because you do not like them.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
Tom, you have made it real clear you will not ever do any buybacks or Big Money races so I am not sure why you are even asking this question. Unless you are trying to start a discussion to talk people out of Buy Backs and Big money races. They are popular because people like them.

Nah. B*ybacks and big buck bracket races are not only popular, they may end up being the only bracket racing left, after a time. There is no chance of anyone being "talked out of them". I do like watching them, but I am curious to know if I am seeing what I think I'm seeing. In this area, the splitting of b*ybacks is extremely commonplace. As in, it is nearly assumed the b*yback will be split. You know how unlikely it is for me to b*yback, and yet I still get asked if I want to split it. Even as I am already pulling out of the staging lanes and the other driver is making hand signals to indicate they want to split. LOL

I have been assuming that this is how it is done at the big buck events as well. But considering how much one of those b*ybacks cost, I was wondering if maybe not. On the other hand, it appears those folks have more to spend in the first place, so maybe they are not about to consider not buying back, so the split makes even more sense to them. Take care. Tom Worthington

More broke dyck bull shyt

Tom,
My perspective and the way I do it. Remember I am retired and on SSS..lol

I do a few "big Buck" races, when I feel like it.
In the past I raced the million a few years back and have done some 10-20,000.00 here in Texas as well as the original million in AL last year, and a couple of SFG races.
When I make my decision to go I decide exactly how much I am willing to spend to enter and buy backs if I plan on it. I have a stubborn streak and at times I refuse to buy back.
Like you I dislike buybacks, I prefer a second chance race.

By the way I do split the buy back at our local races with friends if we meet.

Dave

At the locals, often you can line up with a buddy and make a deal with him if one of you is in points and the other isn't. At the big buck deals that usually isn't the case. People have the buyback money set aside for the weekend usually.

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Originally posted by Tom396:
Are the "splitting" of b*ybacks as common in big buck bracket events as they are in local bracket races?

No. Nor is it common on the "local" level in most areas.

I've been asked about 3 times in my life.

I have never split a buyback at a big money race and never had anyone ask me. I would rather take my chances of winning first round and keeping my money in my pocket.

Now on the local level I have been asked. I do sometimes with people I know but honestly I would just assume not.

Now on the big money racing. I think they are going to be slowing down some. I think the market has been flooded with them for a while and you will start to see some of them go away. Some of the bigger popular ones are not getting the 500 plus cars like they was early on. Without big car counts the entries will go up and that will push some people away. I think some races will survive but I look for some to go away. JMO

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Originally posted by Bucky:
At the locals, often you can line up with a buddy and make a deal with him if one of you is in points and the other isn't. At the big buck deals that usually isn't the case. People have the buyback money set aside for the weekend usually.

Grrrr. And I hate that you are right about that. Take care. Tom Worthington

I'll bet 1320racer has never split buy backs. Of course why would he, he never loses.

I split buybacks with friends locally or at big buck events...I see no problem with that...

I wouldn't be surprised if Tom hasn't wore out ol Eds a$$ out in the long ago past up in Div 1as he was always a pretty good racer up there. But you are probably right Larry.
Like Ducky I have not seen this practice much.

Actually, I did at the Fling this year for the first time. Never knew that was done. I lost to my friend, collected $100 from him. Bought back in and went 5 rounds. I liked it!

Buy backs and splitting are gentlemen's or gentlewomen's agreements.

A group of two or more people come the agreement of the terms of the deal. If any of the parties do not agree...no deal

Splitting only happens WHEN all the parties agree...not sooner not later.

Splitting buy backs effects no other party and only the two racers agreeing to the deal.

Seems very reasonable for the racers to decide how the money is shared, and when to do it.

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Originally posted by Larry Scarth:
I'll bet 1320racer has never split buy backs. Of course why would he, he never loses.

nope, not a broke dyck that can't afford to race.

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PMAugust 02, 2021 01:53 PMHide PostAt the locals, often you can line up with a buddy and make a deal with him if one of you is in points and the other isn't

Wow....not impressed...

I don't like it. That said I usually oblige if asked.

The thought of paying to win a round just isn't enticing.

Along those lines--I was at Farmington a few years ago and my friend who is an above average racer had won on both numbers first round. He was approached by another racer who he was paired with second round and offered a lot of money to let him win. My friend took the money. The one that payed lost in the final. It is the only time I ever saw or heard of this

I've never even heard of this practice

Because I'm fairly old school I don't really like buybacks for weekly points programs but I understand the reasoning. A local track allowed buybacks into 3rd round with points allotted !!! That was totally ridiculous !!! They no longer have a bracket program LOL

As far as $$$ races go I like buybacks as we often get no timeshots day to day plus add in a 5-10 hr tow and it makes sense.

Splitting a buy back just seams like some buddy's have fun covering the beer money..........