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Todd I don’t know where you race but many in this area still use open trailers and pick up trucks.
 
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There is a world of difference between 90* degree air temp and 100*, 105* or 110* or more and the track temp is often over 150*. High humidity makes matters worse and can be serious.

I find it funny for someone who has never had to deal with it to say it is not a big deal for those who do. How stupid is that?

One other thing once you have a heat stroke you are more at risk for rest of your life if it does not kill you.

And I have said it before, I think it was a combination of stupid high gas prices, traction compound shortages, and the heat that swayed the decision to close for that race. Those things lead to a low car count and that also has to play a part in the decision.
Any one of those factors may not have done it by itself but when you add them all up yes.

The track does not want to close any more than they have to because they can not make any money with gates closed. And they may have many expenses that go on open or not such as leases, insurance etc.


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To me it boils down to this. I do this for fun. If it's going to be 100°+ and I believe it isn't going to be fun that weekend I will stay home. It's my choice and I don't give a rat's rear about someone else's opinion on what I do. I have AC in my trailer and I have a water cooled vest. I don't have any health issues, I'm far from being overweight but I will say that age has made climbing in and out of the car all day wearing a -5 suit, fueling, checking tires, looking over the car each round more tiring. Can I do it, sure but again I choose whether I want to or not. Now I believe there are more just like me, so there is a reason for tracks to consider closing for excessive heat.

Now if I was just going to ride around in a golf cart and hand someone their helmet it probably wouldn't be an issue.



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The Haters here are always gonna hate on me


Again.....get over yourself! You seem to think my "Hate" has something to do with you winning, money or your race vehicles. That's the f..arthest from the truth; it only exists in your delusional Narcissi's mind. Here's one example, I was one of the 1st to applaud your accomplishments on the big 50K race win!

Now, when you can climb into a race vehicle to compete & win a fraction of what your son does. I will be the 1st to compliment you on your accomplishments. I don't have to worry about that happening, because you are a mental mess with the brain bucket on competing.

Now, my so called "Hate" comes from you belittling, bullying, name calling, & generally hating on a good many here. When you stop your Hate, my so called "Hate" will end. Example, whenever you are on your good behavior (no Hate) for whatever reasons. Probably SL smacking your fingers or your therapist(s)/meds getting you somewhat normal. There's no so called "Hate" coming from me. Wink Then the cycle starts again.

Start comprehending what your therapist(s) are telling you & stay on your medications! Smile

"Confidence is a quality everyone should strive towards. However, there is a difference between having faith in yourself and knowing your strengths and believing you are number one at everything. Narcissists let their egos get the best of them, and they always believe they are superior. Their superiority complex causes them to think anyone who dares criticize or challenge them is delusional. If a narcissist faces any obstacles, they'll try to find faults with the system. Getting through to narcissists can be difficult because they are convinced their supposed superiority protects them from criticism. Narcissists view themselves as immortal, while everyone else is merely human."


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I see the heat issues in a different way. All us racers can get out of the heat in our toterhomes, motorhomes and trailers. The real issue is the track staff that work long hours with no where to hide. I'd say the well being of the staff is just as big of factor to cancel as anything else.


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I disagree, they applied for and accepted the job knowing full well it requires long days and nights in hot, sunny, humid weather as well labor intensive work to scrap/prep the track along with the occasional cleanup from an oil down/fluid spill.


Good Morning ED!

This next quote applies to the 2nd one above.

"Empathy is a challenge for narcissists because they have a hard time putting themselves in another individual's shoes (or even cannot do so). To a narcissist, everything must be catered to their demands and be based on their perspective."

Another quote specific to ED's needs:

"To put it simply, many individuals who have narcissistic tendencies or have been diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder are typically delusional and choose to live in their own fantasy world rather than in reality, since real life does not support their grandiose view of themselves. This fantasy world of theirs tends to revolve around distortion of the truth, self-deception, and magical thinking as they believe in these self-glorifying illusions they have about themselves involving success, wealth, power, attractiveness, intelligence, and love that makes them feel in control and special. Unfortunately, these fantasies are just a mask to protect the narcissist from their feelings of inner emptiness and shame, therefore, any facts or opinions that contradict them are either ignored or rationalized to meet their perspective on things. Anything that threatens to destroy their fantasy bubble is often met with rage and defensiveness as well, which can turn into violence if the narcissist feels threatened enough."


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Curtis and B King both nailed it on last posts.

We are supposed to be doing this for Fun and part of the fun is the challenge of winning and the money prize. As costs go up to race and in many cases winnings go down that makes it harder to justify. Kind of like Gambling but odds are getting worse.

Local bracket we may had 50 or so people racing for $1500 to win and it costs about $250 to get there and race. Fair enough I will take those odds.

Now it costs closer to $500 and may be racing for $750 so the investment is getting significantly higher while pay out if you win is lower. Now the odds are not as good. Same as our Country it is not heading in the right direction. Even big money races have seen some changes.

I work hard to win (as does most others) and have been blessed to win more money than I spend racing every year it is getting harder now for all of us. (No, I do not race because of the money but I do enjoy winning money)

Also win, lose or draw I do not like to spend more money every week than I can afford to throw away remember we do this for fun. $250 a week is one thing $500 is another. I just do not like to gamble or throw money away. We all have our own threshold of pain there and I never count on winning to justify my racing.

The heat sure makes us think about how much fun it is to and it has been brutal this year.


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Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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Curly are you including cost per run. I know most bracket racers never look at it but it is there and decides bottom line as much as anything.

On previous statement. Temps effects for me are lower b y about 10*. 85 I am ok,not happy.90 is getting pretty warm and at 95 it is tood hot. Now in NC high heat is normally bring high humidity with it and that may be as big of issue.

Temp is like everything else each person had a different tolerance range and when it becomes nontoleratable the fun is gone and so am I.




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The dewpoint in Ohio was 78 with temps well over 90 last weekend. I'm much less diehard nowadays and lean towards 'fair weather racing'. We are likely to stay home when its miserable out because it becomes more about survival rather than fun. This is a 'hobby' for most of us.
 
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Looks like Seattle ( Kent Washington) NHRA Nats will have record heat for the race.


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We are having a lot of fun, more than 99.9% of the regular posters here Laughing very hard and certainly than the broke dycks, losers, nobodies. club racers, fair weather racers and career test & tuners. NahNahTounge



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Do you have a mirror and a bell in your trailer when you are not posting?


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Hater^^^ Laughing very hard
 
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We all owe Curtis and B King for a half hour on their couch. Their diagnosis's were spot on.
Watchung Ed is kinda like a train wreck, you know what happened but can't look away.
 
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No I’m not a hater. You do have some great info at times and knowledge I’m sure. I just don’t get why you have to hit the chip. If these guys don’t want to race in the heat so be it.
I am sure if you didn’t start calling them all p ussies or woke ( third or fourth post in) we would be where we are right now. But I guess clicks are more important?
Not in my book.


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This forum’s reply to topics like all forums aka message boards is opinions and I posted mine. Don’t care who doesn’t agree, it’s mine and I own it.

Further, not until my 8th reply on page 2 were my comments directed to a specific poster who first replied only to comment about me as you have done above.

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Keep on being a mental mess #1 B1tch, because the professionals are Haters too. They have you as their poster child.

"When a narcissist feels threatened, such as when their views about themselves, others, and the world do not match their made-up fantasies, or they encounter someone who appears to have a quality they lack, such as real confidence and popularity, they tend to demean and bully the other person. Narcissists will also belittle anyone who challenges them or won't submit to their will as well, causing the narcissist to use cruel tactics like bullying and intimidation to get what they want.

The only way they know how to neutralize a threat and to improve their diminishing ego is to bully and demean the other individual into submission. They may do this in a dismissive or patronizing manner to prove the individual means nothing to them (which is often not true) or they might attack with insults, name-calling, bullying, and threaten the other person to back off and know their place. Do these tactics work? Not always, especially if a non-narcissist can outwit the narcissist or are aware of these signs and can act accordingly to handle the situation in an appropriate manner."


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^^^^Broke dyck has got a pile of shyt that ain’t been on the track in competition in 2 years who now is a wannabe street outlaw and he’s here posting Laughing very hard too fucing funny.
 
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"Considering narcissists tend to be continually disappointed when life unfolds imperfectly and not the way they want it to, they want to do as much as possible to control any situation life throws at them and mold it to their liking. Not only do narcissists want to be in control but they tend to demand to be in control of things as their strong sense of entitlement makes it appear to be logical that they should be in control of everything and everyone around them. For instance, narcissists tend to have a storyline in mind for each individual or 'character' in their life when it comes to what others say and do.

But, when others do not behave the way the narcissist wants them to, they become unsettled and easily upset as they do not know what to expect next as others and things are not going according to their plan. A textbook narcissist demands others say or do whatever they want so they can reach their delusional goals, as other people are simply characters in their play, as they often will not consider others a real human being with thoughts and feelings. Be mindful of this when dealing with a narcissist, as it will make handling their controlling nature easier!"


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I've been put off by the timing of the precipitation this season, much more than the heat. It always seems the driplets arrive just in time for the weekend, and especially on those weekends when there is a bracket race I want to attend. I know in this area, a regular weekly bracket race is a pretty rare thing for any one track. We can ill afford to have those few bracket race dates we do have cancelled for water coming from the skies (see how I have avoided the "r word"?). Take care. Tom Worthington


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I disagree, they applied for and accepted the job knowing full well it requires long days and nights in hot, sunny, humid weather as well labor intensive work to scrap/prep the track along with the occasional cleanup from an oil down/fluid spill.


Tell me you're self centered without saying you're self centered.

Yea, stand in the heat for minimum wage and have heat stroke. When the track is unable to staff their positions, then what?
 
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