billet manifolds will soon be what many builders use and racers want on their bracket dragster/TD & TS engines. MBE launched their billet manifolds earlier this year and a good friend of mine whose name is on the manifold they are using in the video, runs their 9 degree heads too with this manifold.
and now APD has done the same for a Dart/CFE 11 degree head and they are working on one for a Brodix 20 degree and 16.5 degree now.
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December 24, 2022, 07:38 AM
Undertaker II
I saw the APD version first hand back in October and it's a nice piece but how many will want or can afford to fork out $6500 for a manifold? It would be interesting to see what the actual power increase is on the dyno and on the track.
December 24, 2022, 07:40 AM
Nitrous1
Probably will become more common eventually...but not at the current $6500 price point. At least for the APD version.
Ed I thought you weren't impressed with the performance of the 9 degree deal?
December 24, 2022, 07:44 AM
1320racer
I'm not. I have yet to see any 9 degree combo that is impressive. There maybe on or 2 out there but of all the ones I have seen first hand, none impressed me.
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December 24, 2022, 07:50 AM
Nitrous1
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Originally posted by 1320racer: not anymore. I have yet to see any 9 degree combo that is impressive. There maybe on or 2 out there but of all the ones I have seen first hand, none impressed me.
what's another $6500 when you are already spending, $35 - $40K?
Really like 4000 more after porting a cast manifold. I think the bigger picture is that it will lead people into going the boosted route for "cheap easy" horsepower
December 24, 2022, 08:04 AM
1320racer
this is impressive but other than what's stated, I know nothing about it. would like to know the weight going down track.
similar combo based on the description
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December 24, 2022, 08:22 AM
Curly1
Well he said 45 to 65 more Horsepower that is significant if true. Horsepower cost money, how fast do you want to go? If it does help power that much sure makes it more cost effective even at $6500. Now if it does not help as much as they said............
But if you want more direct line of sight to the ports and lighter weight I think a good sheetmetal intake may be better.
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December 24, 2022, 09:17 AM
CURTIS REED
Boo is a racing friend of mine. I will ask what weight he is running at.
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December 24, 2022, 09:20 AM
1320racer
while you're asking, is a carbon body car too?
December 24, 2022, 09:25 AM
CURTIS REED
I will ask.
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December 24, 2022, 09:36 AM
Big Steve
I wonder how many hours on the CNC it takes to make one. I bet those manifolds make a big pile of chips.
December 24, 2022, 09:51 AM
Curly1
quote:
Originally posted by CURTIS REED: I will ask.
Well it is pretty impressive performance N/A no matter the weight of it. And with a GET'M carb to.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.
Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.
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December 24, 2022, 10:02 AM
racerdude2054
They look amazing that’s for sure. Not something I can personally justify the cost on at this time…. But they are are nice and I’ll have a little jealousy every time I see one I’m sure
December 24, 2022, 10:04 AM
1320racer
Get'M carbs are nothing special.
December 24, 2022, 10:09 AM
racerdude2054
quote:
Originally posted by 1320racer: Get'M carbs are nothing special.
Rumor is they are operating with copy right infringement too
While on the topic of cool billet stuff… here’s something else I can’t afford that looks good
December 24, 2022, 10:28 AM
WHOMPWHOMP
quote:
Originally posted by racerdude2054:
quote:
Originally posted by 1320racer: Get'M carbs are nothing special.
Rumor is they are operating with copy right infringement too
Hear they had a court date in November
December 24, 2022, 10:34 AM
CURTIS REED
Haven’t heard from Boo yet but a really close friend of mine that is friends with Boo says it’s not a carbon body. TNT car with aluminum block. Joe Jolly did the heads personally.
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December 24, 2022, 10:43 AM
1320racer
thanks for the info so at a minimum, Joe "hand tuned" his cnc'd casting which would be additional $ and not something he normally does
back in March...
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Originally posted by Mike Laws:
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Originally posted by 1320racer: EXACTLY!
I’ve tested a lot of carbs from many builders over the last 30 years and ain’t found one yet that was a tenth and 1 mph better and only 1 agreed to a money back guarantee and he became my carb builder for 15 years. Btw, his carb too didn’t gain me a tenth and 1 mph.
So Mike if you or Tony want to guarantee your claims, let’s get this deal done today, if not it’s all marketing claims.
I don't build or sell carbs anymore - however if I did, I'd take you up on your challenge, but you'd have to agree to also buying a big blue bottle in order to put a tenth on that ATM. I'm a big fan of theirs and I'm sure their 2.400 program is stout, so you're in good shape. I appreciate the offer but will have to pass...
December 24, 2022, 10:45 AM
Tom396
Man, sounds like the rich people's problems are continuing to increase. Almost makes me glad I don't have to deal with those. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
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