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Piggles is the last person that should be testing anything for anybody.

He took 40# off his dragster and didn’t even do an A-B-A test and claims it didn’t make it any faster. Then claims everyone else’s stuff that is faster is only faster because it’s lighter than his big tank with 1/4” floor pan and 26” cage built for a 400# driver. Apparently physics doesn’t apply to Pigley Racing.

What a clown.
 
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Wrong no balls p u s s y^^^
 
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This needs to be said.

I'm close friends with jmarkaudio and Tony Morris. I'm pretty friendly with Mike Laws also.

I was jmark's helper grunt at the 2011 and '12 BLP Carb Challenge. Tony Morris drove my car in Super Street for three years and did a fine job of it, too. Mike Laws has been a help to me since his days at BLP. When I needed advice he was there.

Any of these three individuals will point a racer in the right direction. I have no doubt of that.

I don't make it a habit of bashing suppliers here. It's just not in me for the most part. And rarely is the full story disclosed here anyways.



Just so's you know.


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Bruce, I’m not bashing Tony, he obviously can build carbs BUT a twin blade carb is no better on the time slip than a properly sized and built for a specific engine, dominator. No one buys a twin blade thinking they will run the same or slower than their current carb, they buy it because they believe the marketing, hype and hearsay.
 
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I have personal experience with Bo Laws, Mike Laws, Tony, and now the folks who own BLP. They have furnished both twin blade and conventional designs for several of my customers builds. Before Mike & Tony left BLP they personally ran several carbs on the dyno before shipping them to me. They know carbs and know personal service. And the same is true for today's BLP.

All the products are top shelf, all give excellent performance, I have always been completely satisfied.

If I were placing an order today for a SBC Methanol carb, it would be a twin blade from Tony.


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My friend and race buddy a fabrication partner Monte Pannell [Little Chief on this site] will verify the Thursday night we took Troy Morgan's super 10 to XRP for the initial test of its new bracket engine with Tony's twin blade. Smiles all around.

He will also verify the night we won 8 rounds without changing the dial, Mike laws Methanol four barrel.


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Bruce, I’m not bashing Tony, he obviously can build carbs BUT a twin blade carb is no better on the time slip than a properly sized and built for a specific engine, dominator. No one buys a twin blade thinking they will run the same or slower than their current carb, they buy it because they believe the marketing, hype and hearsay.


Ed, I didn't think that for a minute.

I've never run a twin blade so I have no basis on which to comment.

Also, being personal friends with Mark and Tony, I do not run carbs from either one. I don't wear their shirts or hats, or run their decals ever. No car part is worth a friendship.


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Carb threads tend to get off-track at times. I hope the OP gained some knowledge. I also hope he didn't make a bad purchase.

It's good that these threads get so much attention from sharp racers. It proves the relevance. A proper carb shootout would be fun, especially right now. I'd be in for sure. Having designed, built and/or tested 1-barrels, 2-barrels, 3-barrels, 4-barrels and twin blades on all types of engines, dyno's and race cars; I'll take a twin blade built by a reputable builder (and not a knockoff-artist/salesman) every time.

Physics will win. But you have to understand the physics...

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Originally posted by Larry Woodfin:
I have personal experience with Bo Laws, Mike Laws, Tony, and now the folks who own BLP. They have furnished both twin blade and conventional designs for several of my customers builds. Before Mike & Tony left BLP they personally ran several carbs on the dyno before shipping them to me. They know carbs and know personal service. And the same is true for today's BLP.

All the products are top shelf, all give excellent performance, I have always been completely satisfied.

If I were placing an order today for a SBC Methanol carb, it would be a twin blade from Tony.


I have one of the Twin Blade carbs and it has worked very well on the track and dyno. I took several carbs on Dyno day but due to time constraints and the twin blade did so good we opted not to try the other carbs. This was on a 427 SBC alcohol bracket motor at 700 Hp. In the off season I may do some more dyno work and testing but pleased with this carb on this combination.


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Check that your throttle blades are indexed correctly, tweak the air bleeds, or maybe a power valve would be beneficial to keep it clean at part throttle?

BLP has always been my go to for top notch parts and service too.


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^^^^^^^^ ALL of THIS is why I never have and never will use a carburetor. Many I know own several of these contraptions.
 
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The first indication of the above mentioned adjustments being out of whack is not getting proper response from the idle mixture screws.


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The OP is lost around carbs, has no business trying to tune one himself. He has 2 brand new twin blade carbs from 2 different builders, all he should be doing is working with each one to tune their carb!
 
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Probably a totally unrelated issue, considering one of the carburetors got returned and ran well on another car, if I followed the stories?

Probably a 9:1 355 with a 280 @ .050" cam and a mechanical advance distributor with 12 degrees of initial timing. Laughing Hard


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Originally posted by camaro77:
what are the symptonms of a rich intermediate circuit on a carb?


A rich intermediate circuit usually causes a "ratty" burnout or part throttle situation. Other than that - the intermediate circuit is part of the overall tune and should not be problematic if sized properly.

I will add that there are posers out there who claim to be carb-experts. These posers often misuse the intermediate circuit, causing over rich conditions at wrong rpm's. They really don't have a clue about carburetors, but do have a silver tongue when it comes to sales. Do your due diligence...


This is so true, many people take a good carb and mess it up trying to tune it because they do not know what they are doing. I would say there is even a few companies that make and sell carbs and are lost.

With the original poster here I am not sure how much of it is a carb problem. May be a combination of timing, too tight converter and too much gear. At this point I would look at whole combination and start asking questions.


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-a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.

Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
The OP is lost around carbs, has no business trying to tune one himself. He has 2 brand new twin blade carbs from 2 different builders, all he should be doing is working with each one to tune their carb!


Do you even read the posts Ed? SMH

The OP has two 4 barrel carburetor now one from TMC and another from another company, he has no problems with the TMC 4 barrel I built, we spoke the other day about the problems he was having with the other carburetor he got with the engine he purchased, so he no longer has a twin blade!

As far as your offer, I wasn't interested then and I'm not interested now, as a racer of 5 decades I know what the racer wants, a carburetor that prints tickets, most of the calls I get go like this, "I'm not interested in going faster I want to print tickets can you build me a carburetor that will do that"!

I've done a lot of testing with the twin blade with my own car, private test days and on the dyno and plus I'm testing while racing my product, you can ask the locals I'm not afraid to change carbs in the middle of a race, I've tested a 4 barrel back to back with twin blades on the track and on the dyno so don't need you to test for me!

I already know your reply I don't care!

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Originally posted by 1320racer:
The OP is lost around carbs, has no business trying to tune one himself. He has 2 brand new twin blade carbs from 2 different builders, all he should be doing is working with each one to tune their carb!


Do you even read the posts Ed? SMH

The OP has two 4 barrel carburetor now one from TMC and another from another company, he has no problems with the TMC 4 barrel I built, we spoke the other day about the problems he was having with the other carburetor he got with the engine he purchased, so he no longer has a twin blade!

As far as your offer, I wasn't interested then and I'm not interested now, as a racer of 5 decades I know what the racer wants, a carburetor that prints tickets, most of the calls I get go like this, "I'm not interested in going faster I want to print tickets can you build me a carburetor that will do that"!

I've done a lot of testing with the twin blade with my own car, private test days and on the dyno and plus I'm testing while racing my product, you can ask the locals I'm not afraid to change carbs in the middle of a race, I've tested a 4 barrel back to back with twin blades on the track and on the dyno so don't need you to test for me!

I already know your reply I don't care!

TMC


Do not let our little "Karen" bother you. She gets mad if you do not run tire she likes, carb, chassis builder or engine builder or anything else. No matter what you do she will complain. When you prove her wrong she comes back with personal insults and name calling or threats of violence. Claims its stuff is always fastest best stuff and if you faster says so what this is not pro stock it is bracket racing. Or your stuff is lighter or other excuses.

Just do what you do there really is no upside to arguing with an Ediot.


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Tony, I don’t want nor need your junk my ATM carb can’t be beat by you nor anyone else for performance and consistency!

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Aaaaand here we go.....
the grammar is starting to slip, and the editing has begun. Laughing Hard Laughing Hard


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Tony, I don’t want nor need your junk my ATM carb can’t be beat by you nor anyone else for performance and consistency!


ATM build great carburetors and your in good hands sir!


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