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I have had a second POS Maziere remote water pump fail in 5 years and looking at other better options. Has anyone ran this Davies Craig pump?
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If your having failures with Meziere, you might want to look at your set up and see why it is failing.



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First one was used when I got it. Second one I got new and it to has failed after a few years.
It is overpriced junk and there has to be something better out there.


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Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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Same one for 4-5 years on my car


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What is this "water pump" thing you speak of?

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What fails, mechanical or electrical?


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The first one I had was used got it in a trade deal. I think on it the seals leaked water into the motor and burned it up. Then I bought a brand new Maziere pump simply because they said it was going to cost as much to rebuild it as to buy a brand new one. Have had this one one there for 3 or 4 years and noticed it drip some when I put motor in a few months ago. There is a little weep hole on the housing dripped some then it stopped made about 8 passes since then and it is not working at all now.

I have went to a 16 volt system a few weeks ago with alternator do not know if that had anything to do with it failing.


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"Dunning-Kruger Effect"
-a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.

Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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Bender,

It sounds like something that you purchase that is made to leak water into itself to burn up the electrical component so you can buy another one.
We'll need to keep an eye on this thread to really find out.
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Look at the Jabsco 50840. I've been running them for many years. Great pump.

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Bender,

It sounds like something that you purchase that is made to leak water into itself to burn up the electrical component so you can buy another one.
We'll need to keep an eye on this thread to really find out.
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If you want to contact me I'm sure we can help you.

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Make sure your water pump is on whenever you check your coolant level.
 
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So you saw it seeping, ran it anyway, it quit and you called it junk because it got water in the motor?

Mine must be 12-14 years old and have had zero issues to date. One thing for me is that I have always run something in my water to keep the seals lubricated. I know no every product is 100% failure free but I think this is one of the best products out there.

Another option would have been getting in touch with green1 on here to have the motor repaired.



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It just dripped a little when I put my motor back in and filled it with water and it stopped.

I do not know if there is water inside the electric motor or not I have not taken it off yet. I just know it quit working Sunday night when testing. The first one I had is the one that got water in it. Will try to check this one out tonight.


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Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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Isn't there a guy on this board that repairs/rewinds Meziere pumps?

How long was the engine out?
When these pumps sit dry for any length of time the seals dry up. If you spray some lube or something in them and let it soak for a few hours before you put water in the system the seals will soften up and seal instead of tear themselves up on first start up....
I use water soluble oil...I run it in the water system anyway....


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Motor was out for about 1 month, I had an oil pressure issue I wanted to check out.

Maziere can probably repair / rebuild this one but I will not have enough time to get it our and back before next race. Probably have to buy another new one then may send this one out for repair. Thing is I would like to know if there is a better more durable option and yes I always run some kind of treatment in the water to lube the pump and prevent corrosion.

If there is something better now is the time to do it.


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Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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If you want to contact me I'm sure we can help you.

Jerryd@meziere.com


There ya go Bruce, instead of trashing a very good product on a message because your having an issue, why don't you give Jerry a call and work with them on it.
You just switched to 16 volts and also installed an alternator which at 18.5-19 volts might be too much...
 
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I have ran Meziere pumps since their inception and never had an issue. Not saying they don't have them but certainly not a quality issue.

Also this is a family owned company that takes as much pride in their products as any company I have ever seen. I try to emulate them any chance I get with the products for our company.

Give them a shout, I'm sure it will reasonably be handled properly. Remember it is SEMA week also which could delay a proper response.

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In my experience, Meziere products and customer service are top notch. Contact Jerry, I'm sure you will be pleased.


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To clear up a few things:

We use ceramic on ceramic seals, pretty standard for water pumps, they do not really "dry out" What can happen after sitting for a while and you start the pump it can get a scratch in the ceramic. The seal is designed to weep a little until it has re-surfaces itself. In the same way you use to lap valves back 30 year ago. The other thing is, this is how the seal stay cool and why you should never run the pump without water. So you will get a drop or two out of the weep hole from time to time. It should not drip continually if it does, run the pump by itself for about 30 minutes, this should give it time to “resurface itself”. If it continues to drip it will need to come back for a repair.

Repair cost for most of our race electric pumps run around $100 to $150, and the turnaround time is about 5 business days.

You can run our pumps on 16 volts however if you are charging the battery with the pump on you should use a step down resister.

Scott sells our pumps, and I’m sure he has them in stock, if not he needs to order more!!


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Originally posted by 1leg:
To clear up a few things:

We use ceramic on ceramic seals, pretty standard for water pumps, they do not really "dry out" What can happen after sitting for a while and you start the pump it can get a scratch in the ceramic. The seal is designed to weep a little until it has re-surfaces itself. In the same way you use to lap valves back 30 year ago. The other thing is, this is how the seal stay cool and why you should never run the pump without water. So you will get a drop or two out of the weep hole from time to time. It should not drip continually if it does, run the pump by itself for about 30 minutes, this should give it time to “resurface itself”. If it continues to drip it will need to come back for a repair.

Repair cost for most of our race electric pumps run around $100 to $150, and the turnaround time is about 5 business days.

You can run our pumps on 16 volts however if you are charging the battery with the pump on you should use a step down resister.

Scott sells our pumps, and I’m sure he has them in stock, if not he needs to order more!!


I was not too concerned about the few drips as it did stop.
I keep all electrical stuff off while on the charger but I do have an alternator on the car and of course it is charging while running.
Right now I do not know why it failed only that it is not working now. Might be because of the 16 volt system which is exactly why I was reluctant to change to it. If that is the case it is stupid to go to a 16 volt system then put step down regulators or what ever for all of the components.
I have found one I can borrow until mine is repaired /rebuilt. Should I get a step down resistor?


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Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.

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