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Had my first direct experience with a spragless converter. A friend thought their sprag type converter was going bad so he put in a spragless that another friend had with a very similar motor. I was impressed with the consistency but the car slowed down about .01 to .015. Which one do you prefer and why?
 
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If only 660 racing, the spragless has a much better service life and less parts to tear up. If 1320 racing, the sprag IS going to be better by several mph. When a spragless converter is correct for application, the et will be very close to the same as with a sprag.


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TSI spragless

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If only 660 racing, the spragless has a much better service life and less parts to tear up. If 1320 racing, the sprag IS going to be better by several mph. When a spragless converter is correct for application, the et will be very close to the same as with a sprag.


How does the torque converter know distance it travels?

It doesn't.

It only knows rpm's - centrifugal force.

I'm gonna have to deem your post a chit sandwich.

Something you read on the interwebs, you're now repeating.

Or in Hot Rod magazine back in the 70's. Smile
 
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Originally posted by Quick Dawg:
Had my first direct experience with a spragless converter. A friend thought their sprag type converter was going bad so he put in a spragless that another friend had with a very similar motor. I was impressed with the consistency but the car slowed down about .01 to .015. Which one do you prefer and why?


I have seen no difference in performance with or without a sprag or diode. Although I don't stop race, I believe spragless is more consistent for this application. Overall, why add something that can break into the system if you don't have too!
 
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Having used both I'm now a big spragless fan.

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we have an FTI diode in the firebird, going on 3-4 yrs with great luck. Trans temp is never high EVER, never above 140. Got a TSI spragless in the truck, was built for the firebird and ran well, works real good in the truck too. trans temp up in the 160-170 hot lapping. Have a few ATI sprag converters too and they seem to reach 180-200 real easy and aren't really any faster than the others, just seem to build heat quicker. All good consistent converters.........
 
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Had my first direct experience with a spragless converter. A friend thought their sprag type converter was going bad so he put in a spragless that another friend had with a very similar motor. I was impressed with the consistency but the car slowed down about .01 to .015. Which one do you prefer and why?


I have seen no difference in performance with or without a sprag or diode. Although I don't stop race, I believe spragless is more consistent for this application. Overall, why add something that can break into the system if you don't have too!


I found no difference in ET or MPH for a spragless vs mechanical diode in my dragster either.
 
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The guy with triple chrome plated bumpers is going to start deeming posts illegitimate by people that have winners circle checks taken from less than 10 years ago.
 
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If only 660 racing, the spragless has a much better service life and less parts to tear up. If 1320 racing, the sprag IS going to be better by several mph. When a spragless converter is correct for application, the et will be very close to the same as with a sprag.

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The guy with triple chrome plated bumpers is going to start deeming posts illegitimate by people that have winners circle checks taken from less than 10 years ago.


I thought I explained it well enough, No?

How does the torque converter know the distance it travels?

It doesn't.

The torque converter only knows rpm's - centrifugal force.

If it walks like a shyt sandwich and smells like a shyt sandwich, it's a shyt sandwich,....... no matter who prepares the shyt sandwich, it's still a shyt sandwich.


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He was saying that with a sprag you'll notice the mph more in 1/4 mile racing than you will 1/8 mile.

You deemed it a "sandwich" for some reason, but the information presented by him was 100% accurate.
 
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He was saying that with a sprag you'll notice the mph more in 1/4 mile racing than you will 1/8 mile.

You deemed it a "sandwich" for some reason, but the information presented by him was 100% accurate.


Not in reality it's not 100% accurate, and most certainly not because you claim it is 100% accurate, unless you can explain this rationally....

How does the torque converter know the distance it travels?

It doesn't.

The torque converter only knows rpm's - centrifugal force.
 
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If you don't understand a torque converter works off centrifugal force, why comment making believe your claims, as rational and reasoned? Confused
 
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No one said it didn’t work off of centrifugal force.

Stay on track.

No wonder you’re not married.
 
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No one said it didn’t work off of centrifugal force.

Stay on track.

No wonder you’re not married.


Ok, so let's pretend you knew what I was saying all along.

So how does the torque converter know the distance it goes?

It doesn't.

It only knows rpm's - centrifugal force.

So, then what is the phenomenon which makes it "several mph faster" 1/4 mile same rpm?

That claim is make believe - impossible, or in other words a shyt sandwich. Smile
 
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Problem with a sprag / diode is, how do ya know for sure if it's hurt, if you don't cut it open?

Ya don't.

I'm waiting on a 806B Opel 8" from TSI as we speak for a local bracket racer, getting away from diode converters, had one fail.

He's gonna be a happy mother Trucker hanging with me because I ain't afraid to help a guy out, all aspects.
 
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I broke a sprag years ago and went Spragless on the new converter. Did not notice any difference in ET or MPH.


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Nobody has to take my advice, because I am not trying to sell anything. I know what i know from real world experience. I dont care what the guy thinks that has the fastest, slow box car in the country has.


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Thanks for the reply guys. Thanks for taking the time to help.
 
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Mike, a sprag makes the converter more efficient, and doesnt try to act like an engine brake like spragless unit does. Ima steal a line from Ed again, "TRUTH AND FACTS"


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