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Converter?... Tighten it or leave it?

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August 26, 2018, 02:51 PM
jay giles
Converter?... Tighten it or leave it?
Old converter flashed to 5500, got new converter it flashes to 6400, shift at 6600. Ran car. It's faster. Change shift to 6800. Launch at 4600. Normally ran 6.18-6.20. Went 6.11. Should I leave it like it is or tighten it up. Doesn't seem to be quite as consistent now. But that was one race. Went 6.146,6.129,6.130,6.119,6.134. Feels like running high gear only it shifts so quick...lol
August 26, 2018, 03:07 PM
Big Steve
I would not make any changes to it after only 1 race. when you shifted at 6800 what did it fall back to? 6-700 RPM drop from the shift is usually the happy spot for consistency but also depends on your engines operating range for peak torque
August 26, 2018, 03:17 PM
HR3377
Looser is almost always faster, raise the shift to 7K and see if it makes it more predictable. How much did it raise the RPM's at the stripe?
August 26, 2018, 04:02 PM
jay giles
It fell back to 6400...at stripe it was 6800-6900... No data logger...just my eyeballs.
August 26, 2018, 05:18 PM
RacerVX54
Leave it sounds like the car liked it


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Martin Racing
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August 26, 2018, 06:11 PM
Big Steve
quote:
Originally posted by jay giles:
It fell back to 6400...at stripe it was 6800-6900... No data logger...just my eyeballs.


Move the shift to 7000 and see how it likes it.
August 26, 2018, 08:46 PM
Bad News
Leave it.
Get more data.
Might be a couple of hun high, maybe not.

Get a camera on the tach.
75 % of the TC in use are too tight, but nobody wants to try to change things, because it is too much work to pull a converter, and costs to make changes, but will buy another cam or heads.
August 27, 2018, 12:10 PM
Bucky
Why do you want to tighten it? If you think it lost consistency, why did it? My experience has been that a converter that is a tad too loose is generally more consistent even if not the fastest.


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August 27, 2018, 12:22 PM
TORQIN
I would shift it later...possibly on time.
August 27, 2018, 08:40 PM
jay giles
Next time I'll shift at 7k...at the moment don't have equipment to shift on time.
August 29, 2018, 07:38 AM
wideopen231
There always that old thing for shifting,hand. I know its not popular but it works. If married its probably stronger.LMAO

As for converter.Everyone tells me loose is better for Bracket car and if its consistent do not change it. Just what I hear.




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August 29, 2018, 03:31 PM
Bludog331
quote:
Originally posted by Bucky:
Why do you want to tighten it? If you think it lost consistency, why did it? My experience has been that a converter that is a tad too loose is generally more consistent even if not the fastest.


What he said ... Right
September 02, 2018, 08:58 AM
marbleman
Here's a thought: I always order my TC on the loose side. If I go through the traps at 7500 rpm (too much for my bracket car) , I change out 4-6 qts of my trans fluid to hydraulic oil and that will tighten it up about 500 rpm. If that's too tight, I change out 3 qts of my "hybrid" trans fluid back to regular trans fluid and that will loosen it up 200 rpm or so, a lot easier than changing out the TC.
September 02, 2018, 02:05 PM
jay giles
Ran it last night....first pass shifted at 7k...but didn't realize had 7k high side chip...so it hit it a little...ran 6.119. Changed chip..then ran 6.105,6.093,6.100(spun) then 6.092...think I'll leave it.
September 02, 2018, 02:09 PM
Big Steve
quote:
Originally posted by jay giles:
Ran it last night....first pass shifted at 7k...but didn't realize had 7k high side chip...so it hit it a little...ran 6.119. Changed chip..then ran 6.105,6.093,6.100(spun) then 6.092...think I'll leave it.


I would too, good deal!
September 02, 2018, 04:58 PM
rusty
good decision,lol


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September 02, 2018, 06:34 PM
TORQIN
That's great news!
September 23, 2018, 10:07 AM
Steve from Pa
quote:
Here's a thought: I always order my TC on the loose side. If I go through the traps at 7500 rpm (too much for my bracket car) , I change out 4-6 qts of my trans fluid to hydraulic oil and that will tighten it up about 500 rpm. If that's too tight, I change out 3 qts of my "hybrid" trans fluid back to regular trans fluid and that will loosen it up 200 rpm or so, a lot easier than changing out the TC.


Really? I never seen nearly that much difference with 10wt Hydro oil.
We have a pretty loose converter now which works pretty good - but I'd really like to lower our top end RPMs about 200 was thinking a larger tire - but would have to make the room for them. Anyone else see much RPM change with hydraulic oil.


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September 24, 2018, 09:15 AM
FTI
Hydraulic oil will tighten the flash point of the converter. Putting a larger tire on it generally wont help finish line rpm as the converter will show more slip.


Typically we like a loose converter for bracket racing. You will give up a lil et sometimes but the consistency is worth it.


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September 25, 2018, 07:31 PM
Steve from Pa
quote:
Hydraulic oil will tighten the flash point of the converter. Putting a larger tire on it generally wont help finish line rpm as the converter will show more slip.


interesting will the heavier oil lower the down track much or mainly the flash?


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