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California Zero Emissions Bill
September 23, 2020, 08:23 PM
BP758California Zero Emissions Bill
President Newsome is trying to pass a law banning new fossil fuel cars sales in 2035 and new truck sales in 2045. He just sealed his fate among voters. I hope...
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September 23, 2020, 09:26 PM
I.P. DaileyIf you read his order it says it’s a goal. He doesn’t have the power to do this. However, his crooked buddies at the California Air Resources Board do.
My bet, never happens or comes even close
September 23, 2020, 09:39 PM
imakehpOh, it's going to be attempted believe me..After all, this IS California..It probably won't survive the obligatory court challenge, but the loons running this state will most certainly try to pass it...
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September 23, 2020, 11:00 PM
Big SteveYour governor is a complete wack job...
September 23, 2020, 11:09 PM
imakehpA relative of that skank pelosi....what do expect ?
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Dave
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September 24, 2020, 08:35 AM
TD3550I just read that. If he thinks he will attempt that with class 8 trucks, he better try some different Meds. Pipe dream. He seen the light?
September 24, 2020, 08:37 AM
Will HarrisonThe only thing this does is allows unlimited funding to CARB with no required goal. This is just a way to funnel money into his pocket. They don't give a crap about the emissions.
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September 24, 2020, 08:46 AM
Lenny5160I know nothing about the true motivations behind it, but several European nations as well as automakers have the same goal. It isn’t that crazy.
Tony Leonard
September 24, 2020, 10:00 AM
BP758quote:
Originally posted by Lenny5160:
I know nothing about the true motivations behind it, but several European nations as well as automakers have the same goal. It isn’t that crazy.
Hi Lenny!
Problem is going green electric still requires fossil fuel to get there. Will it ever pencil out? No.. my opinion.. if memory serves me, Ca pushed for vehicle manufactures to go fossil -less.. This will push more car and truck supported business out of Ca. What else will be hidden in this bill?
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September 24, 2020, 10:37 AM
SlyFoxTheir power grid already has rolling blackouts because they can't supply enough electricity, all their electrical infrastructure is hopelessly outdated, frail, and in need of basic maintenance and repair that they cannot afford, they buy power on the spot market from neighboring states at wildly inflated prices - and now they're gonna power all their cars and trucks with electricity they already don't have.
LMAO
Mike
September 24, 2020, 12:13 PM
maliciousintentWhy anybody in their right mind would live in California is amazing.
September 24, 2020, 04:10 PM
FootbrakeJimIt is a shame, the absolute lunatics running that state. How they keep getting elected just baffles me. The geography and weather there are amazing. I can't believe nobody has tried running on a platform of Make California Great Again. It was a cool place to grow up in the 50's, 60's, and early 70's. I left there almost 40 years ago, and that was almost too late. Place has completely gone to SHYT over the past few decades. My little Sis passed away there last year. Took the family out to celebrate her life. Took them to some places that used to be fun. Not any more. Couldn't hardly get to the beach, or check out many of the shops or eateries, because the politicians there have embraced the homeless junkies and meth-heads, now cops and business owners can't move them out of the way, so customers have to step over them to enter businesses, (after dodging piles of poop and used needles all over the sidewalks). Freaking ridiculous...
Dan "Jim" Moore
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September 24, 2020, 04:53 PM
BP758Also heard; this administration (CA) is against Fracking but now has granted permits to start fracking?
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September 24, 2020, 04:55 PM
BP758quote:
Originally posted by FootbrakeJim:
It is a shame, the absolute lunatics running that state. How they keep getting elected just baffles me. The geography and weather there are amazing. I can't believe nobody has tried running on a platform of Make California Great Again. It was a cool place to grow up in the 50's, 60's, and early 70's. I left there almost 40 years ago, and that was almost too late. Place has completely gone to SHYT over the past few decades. My little Sis passed away there last year. Took the family out to celebrate her life. Took them to some places that used to be fun. Not any more. Couldn't hardly get to the beach, or check out many of the shops or eateries, because the politicians there have embraced the homeless junkies and meth-heads, now cops and business owners can't move them out of the way, so customers have to step over them to enter businesses, (after dodging piles of poop and used needles all over the sidewalks). Freaking ridiculous...
Jim, SF Bay Area?
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September 24, 2020, 08:30 PM
Curly1quote:
Originally posted by imakehp:
Oh, it's going to be attempted believe me..After all, this IS California..It probably won't survive the obligatory court challenge, but the loons running this state will most certainly try to pass it...
It could the 9nth Court of Appeals is as Liberal as can be and Supreme Court may not want to get involved in it.
As I understand it he passed it as an Executive Order not sure how that will stand up long term.
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September 25, 2020, 08:23 AM
adv ET 266Deregulation of utilities, in many states and in a bigger way in California, the most populous state, has resulted in less reliable operation. Utilities that still operate in regulated states are mandated to provided reliable power and have way more control over all the assets needed to do that, by owning/operating the power plants and transmission and delivery side. Unregulated states has more moving parts (dependency) and lack the same incentives to maintain the wire has diminished.
As to the California change mentioned, renewable generation is definitely the future. That’s the sauce to make this practically and lowers pollution from fossil combustion. I doubt any of us will see this in common practice. I’m just saying it’s going to happen, just not in our lifetime. The economics are not good for battery cars to succeed and that will trump this stated goal. Fossil fuel and gas prices are very cheap now and with many office types working from home, gas use is way down.
https://www.latimes.com/enviro...blackouts-caiso-says
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September 25, 2020, 08:49 AM
Phil DeesI can't wait to charge my electric car from solar power every night.
September 25, 2020, 08:58 AM
Buckyquote:
Originally posted by adv ET 266:
Deregulation of utilities, in many states and in a bigger way in California, the most populous state, has resulted in less reliable operation. Utilities that still operate in regulated states are mandated to provided reliable power and have way more control over all the assets needed to do that, by owning/operating the power plants and transmission and delivery side. Unregulated states has more moving parts (dependency) and lack the same incentives to maintain the wire has diminished.
As to the California change mentioned, renewable generation is definitely the future. That’s the sauce to make this practically and lowers pollution from fossil combustion. I doubt any of us will see this in common practice. I’m just saying it’s going to happen, just not in our lifetime. The economics are not good for battery cars to succeed and that will trump this stated goal. Fossil fuel and gas prices are very cheap now and with many office types working from home, gas use is way down.
https://www.latimes.com/enviro...blackouts-caiso-says
About 5%-9% of our power comes from wind and solar. And that's "our sauce"? There are reasons that it is 5%. What might they be?
And we all forget that there is an environmental cost to the technology behind "green" energy. At some point we realize it isn't all that much better. Just different.
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September 25, 2020, 09:59 AM
FootbrakeJimquote:
Originally posted by stk 758 BP!:
Jim, SF Bay Area?
No, SoCal. San Fernando Valley area, Northwest of LA. The worst part of our trip last Summer was Venice Beach. Miles of boardwalk that "used to" front the beach. Now bordered by miles of a continuous line of homeless "tents" along the seawall, made up mostly of cardboard, trash bags and tarps. Serving as a barrier between the boardwalk and the beach. Can't use the public beach bathrooms either, because the "aristocrats" among the homeless are camped out in every one of the stalls...
Dan "Jim" Moore
Much too young to feel this damn old!!
September 25, 2020, 10:11 AM
FootbrakeJimquote:
Originally posted by Bucky:
About 5%-9% of our power comes from wind and solar. And that's "our sauce"? There are reasons that it is 5%. What might they be?
And we all forget that there is an environmental cost to the technology behind "green" energy. At some point we realize it isn't all that much better. Just different.
Dead on, Bucky.
All the liberal tree huggers feel better by plugging in their electric cars, and using those cursed, infuriating, disease-spreading hand dryers instead of a paper towel. Because they don't see the emissions belching out of the coal-fired power plants that enable them to enjoy their phony "environmentally-friendly" lifestyles. Sorry, the tech to support these green dreams simply is not there yet....
Dan "Jim" Moore
Much too young to feel this damn old!!