May 18, 2021, 07:03 PM
R.BOLDENSpark plugs
Has anyone heard or done this.... I run NGK #7 plugs and I’ve got a few racer friends that take that same plug new out of the box and they take the ground strap off and screw them in and go race.just wondering if anybody out there does this
May 18, 2021, 07:06 PM
CashflowHad a friend years ago that ran comp eliminator who did the same thing.
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right. Here I am.......
May 18, 2021, 07:12 PM
TD3550You have to be talking strap cut back, not off.
old trick
May 18, 2021, 07:16 PM
R.BOLDENThey take the strap completely off
May 18, 2021, 08:54 PM
Canted ValveThat would prove the worth of one's ignition system!
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May 18, 2021, 09:13 PM
markemarkquote:
Originally posted by R.BOLDEN:
I’ve got a few racer friends that take the plug new out of the box and they take the ground strap off and screw them in and go race
Did you ask your friends what the performance benefit from doing this is?
May 18, 2021, 09:29 PM
Curly1Wow! No, I am not cutting off the ground strap. I would have to see definitive proof on dyno and track to even consider it.
And if it worked they would come like that from the factory.
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May 18, 2021, 09:58 PM
seabassI know a comp racer running plugs with no strap... but they were made that way
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May 18, 2021, 10:00 PM
Canted Valvequote:
Did you ask your friends what the performance benefit from doing this is?
I can only imagine it's to unshroud the spark (one hellofva spark I might add). Much like indexing the ground strap or Autolite's cutback ground strap.
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May 18, 2021, 11:10 PM
rustyif i did that i would have nothing to burn off
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May 19, 2021, 05:21 AM
Buckyquote:
Originally posted by rusty:
if i did that i would have nothing to burn off
LOL yes this!
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May 19, 2021, 08:50 AM
CashflowMy friend claimed 8 to 15 hp on the dyno.
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right. Here I am.......
May 19, 2021, 08:56 AM
KWigSurface gap plugs have been around since mid 90's, that I know of. The are not cheap ! your gap is created by the threaded base of plug is made at .035, or whatever.
Ive seen a few folks that cut the strap back to similate that same thing, for clearance issues, like very small chambers.
You have to put in the effort, to get anything out of it.
May 19, 2021, 09:11 AM
Canted Valvequote:
Surface gap plugs have been around...
You will note he said: "I run NGK #7 plugs and I’ve got a few racer friends that take that same plug new out of the box and they take the ground strap off and screw them in and go race."
So it's not a surface gap plug per se. It is a projected tip plug that has to gap back to the plug base. That's one hell of a spark!
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May 19, 2021, 09:16 AM
markemarkquote:
Surface gap plugs have been around since mid 90's, that I know of.
Actually earlier than that. We had a 1988 Mazda RX7 Turbo that used surface gap plugs, and 2 different types depending on position in engine. Leading and trailing. Besides being expensive at that time, they were only good for 12k miles and the center tips were burnt completely out of them.
May 19, 2021, 09:18 AM
SCDIV1You can cut the ground and bend it to be a side gap....
May 19, 2021, 09:32 AM
Greg Kelleyquote:
Originally posted by rusty:
if i did that i would have nothing to burn off

best quote on DRR this year!
May 19, 2021, 10:11 AM
TD3550Brisk spark plugs. Remember the video?. I would venture to try these first instead of wack and hack. (Meltdown) lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnsUAqC3ON0&t=2sMay 19, 2021, 10:23 AM
ski_dwn_itFor years I've run cut back ground straps. Also careful of making sure the plugs are clocked so the opening is facing the piston face.
Just the way I've always done it. No adverse effects.
Back when I was after every bit of ET it made a slight difference. Could also see it in af ratio with slight better burn with cut back vs standard.
For bracket racing. Prob not worth the time.
Other tid bit of info.. Knock on wood. I've never experienced fouled plug in 20 years of racing like some complain about. Anything to it??? Don't know.
May 19, 2021, 12:19 PM
Curly1quote:
Originally posted by Cashflow:
My friend claimed 8 to 15 hp on the dyno.
IF that is true it is very significant but still IF it was true they would probably come like that from factory. And like someone else already said this is not a surface gap plug they are talking taking ground strap off of NGK plugs.
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-a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge.
Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue.
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