A Serious COVID-19 Discussion

April 17, 2020, 09:41 AM

Really I think we need to be able to have a look at mortality data. Not rates, and not just for Corona. We need to be able to compare overall deaths, deaths from flu, heart disease and cancer from this year to last year. What stands out. I bet there are some interesting things to get from that. How many people died each week last year compared to our trend this year? Did the Wuhan virus cure cancer and heart disease? I looked for this data and frankly had a tough time finding it. Big secret I guess.

April 17, 2020, 10:02 AM

CURTIS REED

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Really I think we need to be able to have a look at mortality data. Not rates, and not just for Corona. We need to be able to compare overall deaths, deaths from flu, heart disease and cancer from this year to last year. What stands out. I bet there are some interesting things to get from that. How many people died each week last year compared to our trend this year? Did the Wuhan virus cure cancer and heart disease? I looked for this data and frankly had a tough time finding it. Big secret I guess.

I guess I don't see your point as to the other deaths changing what has happened with this?

April 17, 2020, 10:05 AM

TD3550

They just don't know yet. Survivors. Long term organ damage..

April 17, 2020, 10:43 AM

1320racer

April 17, 2020, 11:05 AM

Bucky

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
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Originally posted by Bucky:
Really I think we need to be able to have a look at mortality data. Not rates, and not just for Corona. We need to be able to compare overall deaths, deaths from flu, heart disease and cancer from this year to last year. What stands out. I bet there are some interesting things to get from that. How many people died each week last year compared to our trend this year? Did the Wuhan virus cure cancer and heart disease? I looked for this data and frankly had a tough time finding it. Big secret I guess.

I guess I don't see your point as to the other deaths changing what has happened with this?

Because if suddenly other deaths have taken a nose dive, it's obvious that those are being recorded as Corona deaths. The net number of deaths is nowhere near as great as it has been suggested by "official" numbers. No doubt it is higher and this really is a thing. But we deserve to see the real numbers and not doctored up bu11sh1t.

April 17, 2020, 11:10 AM

bbtommyd

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Because if suddenly other deaths have taken a nose dive, it's obvious that those are being recorded as Corona deaths. The net number of deaths is nowhere near as great as it has been suggested by "official" numbers. No doubt it is higher and this really is a thing. But we deserve to see the real numbers and not doctored up bu11sh1t.

Dead on zero!!!!

April 17, 2020, 11:13 AM

Bucky

According to the Illinois Department of Public Health, in 2018, there were about 43,000 abortions performed in Illinois. That number has steadily increased since it has been suggested. So far, we have about 1,100 deaths in Illinois from Wuhan Corona.
Let that sink in. Let's say we are halfway to the total we will have. Or 30%. So maybe 3,000 total Corona deaths when it is all said and done. I don't see us spending 3 Trillion to save 43,000 babies in Illinois alone.

April 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

I.P. Dailey

Let’s not forget that everyone who has died recently has now died from the virus and no other cause of death

April 17, 2020, 12:47 PM

Bucky

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Originally posted by I.P. Dailey:
Let’s not forget that everyone who has died recently has now died from the virus and no other cause of death

That's the idea of taking a look at mortality trends from various causes of death and the total. It should show the ADDITIONAL deaths from Kung Flu.

April 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

CURTIS REED

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Originally posted by Bucky:
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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
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Originally posted by Bucky:
Really I think we need to be able to have a look at mortality data. Not rates, and not just for Corona. We need to be able to compare overall deaths, deaths from flu, heart disease and cancer from this year to last year. What stands out. I bet there are some interesting things to get from that. How many people died each week last year compared to our trend this year? Did the Wuhan virus cure cancer and heart disease? I looked for this data and frankly had a tough time finding it. Big secret I guess.

I guess I don't see your point as to the other deaths changing what has happened with this?

Because if suddenly other deaths have taken a nose dive, it's obvious that those are being recorded as Corona deaths. The net number of deaths is nowhere near as great as it has been suggested by "official" numbers. No doubt it is higher and this really is a thing. But we deserve to see the real numbers and not doctored up bu11sh1t.

I gotcha. Some of that does come down to something that is controversial. If you had diabetes and it was totally under control with medication, contracted Covid and once your body couldn't fight that virus and deal with your diabetes causing you to go into shock followed by organ failure did you die from diabetes or Covid?

I know I fall on the side of Covid is the cause of death but some I have discussed this with disagree.

April 17, 2020, 12:55 PM

Ralph85

Daily, i think that is what Bucky is looking for....data to support your statement.

April 17, 2020, 01:11 PM

Bucky

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Originally posted by Ralph85:
Daily, i think that is what Bucky is looking for....data to support your statement.

Indeed. There is no sense arguing over data we don't have. But I think the data would bring some things into the light that are really being overstated.

Additionally, calling something a corona death has proven to bring more money to the hospital where the person perished. There is federal money to be made, so of course they will error on the side of a corona death every time.

April 17, 2020, 01:27 PM

Eman

I hope there is as much effort being put into a vaccine and better tests as there is conspiracy theories and theories by keyboard medical professionals. I'd hate to be in a burning building with most people, they'd be more worried about who started the fire, how it started and who to blame before they got out and the fire was put out.

April 17, 2020, 01:44 PM

Phil Dees

Fact: 80,000 people died from the flu in the U.S. during the 2017-2018 flu season. This from Dr. Robert Redfield Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (AP 9-26-18).

April 17, 2020, 02:00 PM

Phil Dees

TD3550, Storing bodies in cold storage trailers is needed because funeral homes are not allowed to operate at anywhere near their full capacity due to new regulations.

April 17, 2020, 02:11 PM

Ralph85

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Originally posted by Phil Dees:
TD3550, Storing bodies in cold storage trailers is needed because funeral homes are not allowed to operate at anywhere near their full capacity due to new regulations.

Could be some truth to that. How do you explain hospitals overflowing with Covid patients while all other non-urgent procedures are being postponed or cancelled? At least in NY

April 17, 2020, 02:20 PM

1320racer

The truth is they are not. Queens was/is the epicenter of the virus in NYC and Elmhurst hospital was hit hard with patients. The army corp of engineers has cancelled all the temporary hospitals planned and mobilized 2 weeks ago in/for the 5 boroughs

April 17, 2020, 02:28 PM

Ralph85

Can't speak for all the hospitals but i know in addition to Elmhurst, Jacobi in the bronx and stoneybrook out on the island are flooded. Maybe others aren't, I dunno.

April 17, 2020, 03:51 PM

Floyd Staggs

Some of you here in California remeber Nurse Ratchet that bracket raced a mid engine ambulance. She is working at Harlem Hospital in the Bronx on contract and say's it's pretty bad there.

April 17, 2020, 06:19 PM

I.P. Dailey

Found this on Facebook

THINK ABOUT THIS:

If 200 million North Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that's a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor...fast! The downside? Some Canadian/American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory.

Just one month of trading losses will hit the Chinese for 8% of their North American exports. Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness are worth it.