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Exactly! If I wanted to compete in a demolition derby, I could have saved a couple of hundred grand. | |||
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On one hand, I don't disagree with you Bob. Especially with cars that are set up for full prep that we are used to. But what if we shift what we are used to all together? For probably two decades now, it has seemed like a competition between tracks to have the best bite around. Even the lousiest prepared cars with moderate power can get down them without issue ever. And higher powered well prepped cars aren't afraid to set up for 6 second passes on any bracket day. But what if our expectations were only for a track that was consistently prepped, not uber sticky? Wouldn't we all just be forced to adapt? Maybe it would make us all better in some ways, even if not ultimately faster. And tracks could save money on reduced spray. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
As the saying goes, you can put all the lipstick on a pig you want, but its still a pig! Same goes for track prep, if it's not clean your wasting your time and money with traction compound. The problem is that it take manual effort to clean the track to remove all the oils and crap then scrap as required. The easy part is spraying!!!! | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
If no prep bracket racing would bring the sport back to where it was participation-wise in the early 90's for local tracks.I am all for it. I remember a 4.90 car being top of the field and a 496 cin BBC was thought o be big motor. Local tracks all had a weekend bracket race program. We could 3 tracks every weekend. I think it would keep some of the high-dollar fast guys from running,but that might get more low buck guys interested in running. The only prep I can remember was cleaning it and sending cars down. cpl time runs and the track was prepped . If you want to run 4.20's on it go for it. With today's ignition controllers it should be no problem. Having it in bracket race and not heads-up should eliminate some of the balls to wall,hammer down no matter what runs. America home of free. Brought to you by 2nd amendment. | |||
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Sooner or later, the ballers will be able to make enough power to overwhelm even the current insane levels of track prep. That ought to just about kill the sport. Mike | |||
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We did the 7.0 Index at a No Prep Kings event, the race itself was quite fun despite the madness of a no prep event. It would be very interesting to have a no prep bracket race but sadly the bracket racers themselves would ruin it. There is no doubt you would have a 4.50 dragster or low 5 second door car show up, completely get crossed up and then blame the race track. Here is a thought, if you need glue to take your shoes off dont show up? If I can watch a pro mod style car go deep into the 3's I have a hard time believing that a lowely bracket race would be dangerous. Now I fully believe that people with fast cars will over estimate their car/driving ability only to pay the price for it. Half the field at a normal bracket race would not have been able to get down a track 25 years ago. | |||
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DRR Pro |
A few years back a forward thinking NHRA track manager had a heads up series for T/D on 10.5 tires. It was entertaining. The operator's Friday night events made NHRA Unleashed look pitiful and they canned him. "Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375 | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I have heard of these. I think that would be great and would certainly put the tire into being the limiter. The blower cars wouldn't go for it. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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DRR Top Comp |
I am not tearing my stuff up on a No-Prep track. But as a Racer I try to set up my car where it will go down any track, any time. Like Fern said hook in a mud puddle. Really even with the No-Prep guys the winner is the one who can get the most power to the ground. Here in Texas we have track temps over 150* and it can get gooey. Most of the tracks I have raced at here are really slick below 50* track temps. Even below 60* can get iffy if there is a lot of humidity and close to dew point. Now that could be track prep because up North they run in cooler weather and seem to be okay? Do not know what difference is on prepping hot or cold tracks and some may do better than others. Point is you want to set up your car where it will work in worst conditions and not be dependent on having a "Perfect" track every time. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Pro |
The problem I have seen with "Killer prep" is if it fails and cars spin a .01-.03 there is a "sh-t storm of *****ing" and guys won't come back. I actually think smaller tracks should focus on consistent conditions that don't require $1000-$2000 in glue per weekend. An old saying I had at my tracks, and it is still true today, 90% of the *****ing comes from 5% of the racers. The other 95% are glad to be there and adapt. | |||
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And the ones who set up their car so it works most any time any place and adapt are winners. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I'm more concerned with the consistency of the track. It doesn't have to be super sticky, as long as it's predictable. If they don't recover well from fluid being on the track....if they let it get dusty/dirty and they don't keep it consistent, then to me that's unacceptable. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
If you can race on a 150 plus track I think no prep is easy. I've seen conditions so tight we were chunking the tires. Then there's conditions so bad you question yourself.... California Screaming! Raceless in California! | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Bucky, You are right. Consistent prep is more important that just spraying more glue over a greasy track. It would upset some $100,000 car owners at first but it would also make a lot more racers with a budget more competitive. The racers with the budget, if they choose to stay, will adapt with timing, leave in high gear etc. Seen it, been part of it. Winners usually climb back to the top but the tracks can save several thousand dollars a month and maybe survive and keep bracket racing scheduled. Every track is different and so are their customers (racers). It's not an easy solution but it is an option. Jok | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Barry, been there got the t-shirt. Just a normal deal in July/August. Longer for our southern friends in Tehas. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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