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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum General Discussion - by FTI Head & Neck restraints rule?Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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DRR Pro |
To clarify my comment… Letting off the throttle to run 3mph under the speed limit to avoid the proper safety equipment is dumb. Your head and neck will not know the difference. At this point, I think every non street class should (or maybe could as should is a string word) require a HANS or similar. Easy for me to say, I’m retired. Mikey | |||
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DRR Sportsman |
Most tow vehicles have airbags and safety equipment built in to protect the occupants now. No head and neck restraint required, lol. 72 Nova "Hooptie" | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I think i remember maybe you are an engineer? What data would you point to that supports this? Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR Pro |
I have no data for either… But… I’m not sure I need data to say that the head and neck will notice no difference between 147 and 150 in a sudden deceleration. My second point is based on the absence of real data and the arbitrary 150mph that NHRA tossed out there. Rather than an arbitrary speed, mandate it for all classes that way we don’t have people shaving 3 mph to avoid having the equipment. Data would be nice, for sure. Mikey | |||
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DRR S/Pro |
Or having someone that normally runs just under 150 and does not wear one and accidently goes over 150mph and gets fined by the NHRA for not having the proper safety equipment | |||
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In the first place Karen I said a bonus of me lifting a few feet early to avoid going faster than my chassis certs is I only run 140 something....so the neckbeace nonsense doesn't apply to me....At least in the 1/8. which is where 99% of my racing is now days....Sorry you don't agree with my doing what I have to do to race legal. if it bothers you OR makes me dumb,in your opinion.....all I can tell you is tough shyt if you don't like it.... . Dave F J B | |||
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Can these head restraints be attached to pierced earlobes? I mean, just in case the driver isn't wearing a helmet at all?  Take care. Tom WorthingtonIf it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I guess we could mandate fire suits for all classes too. Just in case right? My point is that these things are for one thing....keeping your head attached so it isn't lights out when you have a high g frontal decelleration cause by hitting something head on. I just don't see a rash of these types of deaths happening and have not for the decades that I have raced. We seem to be solving a problem that simply does not exist. I guess everyone that wears one and has been in an accident can claim that they would have died had they not been wearing one. But we could say that about vaccines I suppose too. There is no way to verify that. Would they be standing here today without the haans or vaccination? LOL. Sure cars keep getting faster. But it is extrememly unsual in our sport to stuff a car into a wall with an immediate stop. We are more prone to glancing blows, which are not what cause the skull detachment that these devices prevent. I think a lot of people get a warm fuzzy wearing these that probably isn't warranted. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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NHRA makes these rules to protect us (Actually for Insurance and to limit their liability and protect THEM) but I think some of the rules are based more on making money and not safety. Seat belts- We all agree we need seat belts for safety. THERE IS NO DEBATE THERE. The problem for me is the 2 year rule on them. Now I could see if you were involved in a bad crash seat belts are voided. Same thing they do with a chassis tag if you crash hard. Or maybe 10 year tag on belts or any obvious damage or discoloration. But every 2 years to me sure does not sound like Safety, it sounds like Money Kickbacks. Period. Head and Neck Restraints may be same deal. I do not have a problem with requiring them at a certain speed or ET. The recert or replace them could be a problem though. The spec currently says must be re-certified every 5 years. I think that is Reasonable, should it be dropped to 2 years then there is money being made somewhere and someone is getting slipped the Weenie. I would not be one bit surprised to see the Recert dates drop from 5 to 2 years soon after everyone starts wearing them. One other thing I do not have any problem with anyone who chooses to stay under the limit to avoid having to do it. Most everyone of us did the same thing when we first started racing many years ago. We did not run the car faster than 10 flat because we did not have full cage. (What ever ET it is that was more than 30 years ago for me) We eventually do put the cage in so we can go faster. But once again if you choose to run the car slower than that to avoid having to put the cage in that is your business and your money. You can and probably still should wear a HANS even if it is not required but that is completely up to you. Whether you run 107 or 149 MPH. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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Seat belts are an excellent example of in the real world where statistics support the implementation. And in nhra the lack of data supporting two year intervals is what most of us object to Also climate change: greenies want us all driving ev’s. But there is no data to support that this helps the environment overall nor that environmental change is even caused by humans Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
You can blame the seat belt manufacturers for this rule. They refuse to put a UV coating on SFI rated belts to make them last longer. Maybe SFI won't let them now, I don't know. But the 2 year rule is due to UV exposure. Stock seatbelts are designed to last the life of the vehicle. The car manufacturer is required to replace them if any defects come up. My wife had hers replaced for free on her Subaru (car was out of warrant) because it would not retract anymore. 72 Nova "Hooptie" | |||
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| DRR Pro |
Who is Karen? Or is that a grown man’s attempt to call someone names using teenage tiktok lingo? Didn’t you wine enough about a previous user calling you names? Mikey | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
Old habits are hard to break, lol. 72 Nova "Hooptie" | |||
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For the decades that you've raced can you tell us the cause of death of racers that crashed and died? Since you say it's not a problem. You should have data to backup that statement. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
I'm not sure the burden of proof works that way. Name even one American drag racing death in brackets that was basilar skull fractures. This list is somewhat comprehensive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...deaths_in_motorsport Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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The only death I know of that a HANS device would have probably saved him was Dale Earnhardt. But at that time I do not think they were available in fact I think his death is what caused them to design them. We do not know how many if any lives it has saved since then. Still we need to try to be safe with in reason. I have said this before some do not have common sense. I think diapers (or pan) under your engine is huge. It could prevent many crashes from ever happening. You race long enough you are going to lose a motor. A diaper there could save your car or even your life. I am shocked to see many people wearing HIGHLY FLAMMABLE nylon pants to race, they might as well pour gasoline on their legs. That is worse than wearing no pants. Those nylon pants and shirts leave terrible burn scars that will never look right. Some people just are not thinking right. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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| DRR Elite |
True and well stated Curly Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR Elite |
My son and I both wear necksgens. He doen't have to but is used to it from jr's. I guess the part that gets me is requring a vast swath of our racing population to wear a piece of equipment that would have prevented how many deaths in the last 20 years? At what expense and aggrevation to how many racers who will most likely never see any benefit to them? NHRA had a rule about all jr's running faster than x had to have a wing. LOL that's right. When a pressed them about it, they said it could help to keep a car from rolling completely over in a crash. I kid you not. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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If they are requiring Jr's to wear them it is probably to get them in the habit from the very start. I seriously doubt that a HANS device would be needed in JR's for safety. (Unless they go over NHRA 150 MPH mandate) Lol. https://postimg.cc/gallery/np3zpruo/ "Dunning-Kruger Effect" -a type of Cognitive bias where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they do not have enough knowledge to know they don't have enough knowledge. Before you argue with someone ask yourself, "Is this person mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of a different perspective?" If not there is no point to argue. 4X NE2 CHAMPION. 2020 TDRA NE2 Champion | |||
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It was a knee jerk reaction to a VERY young girl in Australia who managed to stuff a jr into a wall head on after the turn off. MANY factors involved there that should not have happened. Starting them young is called conditioning. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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