The instance I saw was pretty cut and dry, there was not a safety issue. It was taken from broadcast that round so it was pretty easy to confirm timing.

Doesn’t matter what you saw or think.

These are kids. They need to know the rules and should have to read the rule book. Parents responsibility. No way in he!! They should be leaning forward in the cars or loose if that was the case. A good starter can catch this before staging! I’ve seen it done many times.

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Originally posted by NortonRacing:
Yes, because no official ever made a bad call and no one ever has the right to be upset about it.

I want whatever you are drinking....

I get your Sarcasm there.

A couple of thoughts here if is so dangerous they should be checking at the STARTING line for loose belts etc before something bad happens. A HANS type device may not do much if any good at all if belts are not tight. Parachute pin or fire bottle safety pin need to be removed but after a crash or fire or even after the run or crash is too late to check.

The rules are there and they apply to everyone. Yes the calls are final and you could cry about it for years after and will not change nothing.

While I agree with the rules and think they should be enforced but do think the $1000 fine is rather excessive. But if they were warned and did not listen, excessive or not they have nobody to blame but themselves. We know they are doing this because there have been a few bad crashes lately and they are trying to limit the damage or liability.

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Originally posted by Bucky:

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Originally posted by NortonRacing:
Some of the people had every reason to be complaining about getting busted. They were going off of the word of other competitors and parents. One was tossed and they brought video proof it was not true. Still tossed, I would have blown my lid too.

Some where guilty no doubt but way more to the story than whats been posted here.

That video proof was about as convincing as the bone killers video. Jmo

You have a history of poor judgement that'll become clearer to you in the weeks to come from the couch in front of your stupid box, as little doctor Fauci and his band lefty liars blame Trump for the poison vaccines you bent over for without a peep.

So your opinion don't count to anyone with a decent IQ anyway.

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Originally posted by NortonRacing:
The instance I saw was pretty cut and dry, there was not a safety issue. It was taken from broadcast that round so it was pretty easy to confirm timing.

At rest the kid was almost flush with the front of the cage. The car had a funky cage and it really looked like they built up behind him so he could reach the pedals. Maybe the entire helmet wasn’t out. But it sure looked like it was breaking the plane.

your opinions don’t change the fact that the kid was DQ and the NHRA’s decisions are final and can’t be adjudicated.

Reminds me of that line from the original Top Gun from Tom Skerrit:

"Top Gun rules of engagement are written for your safety and for that of your team. They are not flexible, nor am I. Either obey them or you are history. Is that clear?"

When you get to the crux of it - this whole things starts with NHRA - their sandbox, their rules. You don't like it don't play in it. Zero problem with that. BUT, when you talk one culture and act another - this is the problem you have. And that is what NHRA has allowed to happen. They could drop the hammer on their owned tracks, and their sanctioned tracks if the chose to. The tracks and saftey personnel could do it on their own as well - problem arises there if they don't have the full backing / support on that attitude - which starts with.....you guessed it.

And changing that culture once it has gotten out of hand is not easy if not damn near impossible, and when it goes thru changes - people get upset etc, like we see with this. Especially when the process of enforcement / penalty seems to be different from day to day.

What I do everyday - I have to enforce the site saftey rules - I have zero choice - my company and client demands it - and they hold a no BS attitude about it. I don't like all the stuff - some of it I think is overkill - BUT when you get down to it - part of my job as a construction manager and my team's job as well is to make sure "you" go home to your family at the end of the day. Hate me all you want for it - but I'll be damned if I am going to be the one telling your family you got yourself killed by being stupid.

Well that's my approach to all this anyway

for your Top Gun reference to the rules as well insight to your professional career and how you and your team own the safety of the job site and all the trades people working on it.

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Originally posted by SlyFox:
There was drama on the internet recently about rules enforcement at (of all places) a big junior dragster event at Bristol. Apparently, even after being warned, some kids were tossed for loose belts/leaning out of cage/loose neck collars or some such. And then, predictably, some parents were outraged about kids getting tossed, even though the rules are to protect their own kids.

About 3-4 weeks later, I was racing brackets at my local tack in Georgia when an announcement was made over the PA reminding all that kids caught with loose belts and/or neck collars, and/or leaning forward out of the cage, would be DQ'ed.

Apparently we have a lot of slow learners in our hobby lately.

LOL...
I went through that as the starter at the Div 4 Bracket Finals several years back.
Rules said goggles/shield had to be in place before leaving the starting line. A lot of racers like to stage with their shield up. I get it and no problem. But it should be down before the tree is activated. How does the starter know you put it down otherwise?
Yeah, I watched several drivers let go of the button and slap the shield down before leaving the line. No problem there either, but I watched a lot go down track with it up.

I decided I would not activate the tree until those complied.
After several complaints the race director told me to stop and tell the ET shack to let them know what they were doing. After I had warned and held the tree on a particular young Jr driver, where he lost (I had held him several times previously and he won). His daddy come yelling at me that it was my fault he lost and then went to the tower to complain to the race director. Fortunately the race director backed me up on that one, but I was told to stop trying to enforce the rule. I tied up the radio informing the ET shack about it, I was told that was enough..
That was the last race I started. lol Race ended at 6:30 the following morning. I was happy...

Dave

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Originally posted by CrewMan:
What I do everyday - I have to enforce the site saftey rules - I have zero choice - my company and client demands it - and they hold a no BS attitude about it. I don't like all the stuff - some of it I think is overkill - BUT when you get down to it - part of my job as a construction manager and my team's job as well is to make sure "you" go home to your family at the end of the day. Hate me all you want for it - but I'll be damned if I am going to be the one telling your family you got yourself killed by being stupid.

Well that's my approach to all this anyway

The problem with trying to idiot proof things is that they always make a better idiot. LOL

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
The problem with trying to idiot proof things is that they always make a better idiot. LOL

You sir...are EXACTLY correct!

Here is one with his best organ donor attempt. Gets out of car with it still moving wearing short pants.

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Originally posted by BP758:
These are kids. They need to know the rules and should have to read the rule book. Parents responsibility. No way in he!! They should be leaning forward in the cars or loose if that was the case. A good starter can catch this before staging! I’ve seen it done many times.

Years ago when our daughter was in juniors, the one big dog of the IHRA (foret his name now) was standing near the start, leaned over our daughter's car, reached in and gave her belts a tug to make sure they were tight gave her a thumbs up and walked away.

Tear down barn at Indy is full of super gas cars this morning, wonder what they are looking for

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They were checking grids is what I heard from one of them

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That’s good to hear!

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Originally posted by pauley:
They were checking grids is what I heard from one of them

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Then I would have to assume looking for Arc modules and traction control

This is great but do they have someone who can find something? not just look at the data?

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Originally posted by HR3377:
This is great but do they have someone who can find something? not just look at the data?

Yeah and make sure the visible grid is the one actually being used to run the engine.