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Neighbor had a 3000 Honda issue so I took a look and repaired it. While at the local generator store I was informed that Honda has pulled their line of generators/implements out of California. Not compliant with California Air Recourses Board. CARB.. Yamaha has done the same thing with their bigger gen sets. How many more business are going to leave? I am aware Honda was slapped with a huge fine also. My question is ; as big as Honda and Yamaha are and the technology available, they cannot comply so who can? I guess maybe it’s all tied to electric?
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Barry:

You are going to see a lot more fines just like this. CARB can, and always has done anything it likes..... what it likes is to sue everyone, it's simply a cash grab.

The California Legislature and Governor Grewsome are in a free fall spending money they don't have. It takes a lot of money buying those votes to defeat Grewsome's recall.

Bob
 
Posts: 3054 | Location: Lakeside, Ca | Registered: February 15, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Starting in 2024, CARB’s Omnibus Regulations will require heavy-duty diesel and gasoline engines sold in California to emit no more than .05 grams of NOx per brake horsepower hour (g/BHP-hr.), a 75% drop from the current limit of .20 grams.

CARB’s latest proposed trucking regulations are “cost-prohibitive, infeasible, unenforceable, and illegal, and, as confirmed by independent expert analyses, fall well short of any reasonable cost benefit metrics. CARB has grossly underestimated the costs associated with nearly all aspects of the proposed far-reaching Omnibus Regulations, and has materially overestimated their potential benefits.”

I am all for cleaner air. They have no *** IDEA
It's called damage to the trucking industry.

Mindless Wonders.....

So your going to force a small fleet of oh say
20-50 tractors to drop emissions from .20 to .05. Never happen. Out of business or MOVE.

They have NO idea what is involved in these engines. NONE.... Hurt the trucking industry and they will find out what happens.

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Starting in 2024, CARB’s Omnibus Regulations will require heavy-duty diesel and gasoline engines sold in California to emit no more than .05 grams of NOx per brake horsepower hour (g/BHP-hr.), a 75% drop from the current limit of .20 grams.

CARB’s latest proposed trucking regulations are “cost-prohibitive, infeasible, unenforceable, and illegal, and, as confirmed by independent expert analyses, fall well short of any reasonable cost benefit metrics. CARB has grossly underestimated the costs associated with nearly all aspects of the proposed far-reaching Omnibus Regulations, and has materially overestimated their potential benefits.”

I am all for cleaner air. They have no *** IDEA
It's called damage to the trucking industry.

Mindless Wonders.....

So your going to force a small fleet of oh say
20-50 tractors to drop emissions from .20 to .05. Never happen. Out of business or MOVE.


If you wanted to force a move to EV what would be the easiest way? There ya go.



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Stats state on average 150 driven miles a day. Long haul drivers forget it. I can see 150 a day for electric
for a local P&D unit. Not road units. I can't even fathom the the billions that would have to be invested into charging stations.. The average person has no idea of logistics just getting a loaf of bread. The new training alone for small fleet mechanics. Whats next, electric transmissions.

When DEF systems came out in class 8. 90% of the calls i went on had to be towed to the dealer. Still to this day if i don't get 20 forced regens a month, I'd be lying. The more complex the system, the more for errors.I paid my dues. Worn out.....

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isnt california able to test vehicles during inspections and fail for any tune/modifications done...the computer tets for any alterations to factory installed settings
 
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From a testing facility in California. I would imagine they are all about the same.

Diesel Inspection Procedure:

Visual Test
OBD II Test
Visible Smoke Test

Visual Check List:

Positive Crankcase Ventilation "PCV" or Crankcase Depression Regulator "CDR"
Diesel Oxidation Catalyst "DOC"
Diesel Particulate Filter "DPF"
Nox Absorber
EGR
Fuel Injection
Temperature and Pressure Sensors
Wiring of Sensors/Switches/Computers
Vacuum Line Connections to Sensor/Switches
Other Diesel Emission-Related Components: Turbo/Supercharger, Exhaust/Intake, etc.

OBD II Check consists of:

"Check Engine Light" (MIL) is Operational
MIL on/off
OBD Readiness Status Codes

Visible Smoke Test consists of:

Idle Test
Idle Crankcase "CDR/PCV" Test
Snap Test

Case in point, Say they scan it and find it cranked up, say HP rating. they know it has been altered. All the more reason to put you OOS.
 
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From a testing facility in California. I would imagine they are all about the same.

Diesel Inspection Procedure:

Visual Test
OBD II Test
Visible Smoke Test



Visual Check List:

Positive Crankcase Ventilation "PCV" or Crankcase Depression Regulator "CDR"
Diesel Oxidation Catalyst "DOC"
Diesel Particulate Filter "DPF"
Nox Absorber
EGR
Fuel Injection
Temperature and Pressure Sensors
Wiring of Sensors/Switches/Computers
Vacuum Line Connections to Sensor/Switches
Other Diesel Emission-Related Components: Turbo/Supercharger, Exhaust/Intake, etc.

OBD II Check consists of:

"Check Engine Light" (MIL) is Operational
MIL on/off
OBD Readiness Status Codes

Visible Smoke Test consists of:

Idle Test
Idle Crankcase "CDR/PCV" Test
Snap Test

Case in point, Say they scan it and find it cranked up, say HP rating. they know it has been altered. All the more reason to put you OOS.




They are pushing ahead to look for tuners now. What’s BS is the 1401GVWR screwing all the farmers here. The older 4500/5500 /450/550 are screwed. Those trucks are as clean as and 3500 or 2500! I was looking at a 2005 T5500 Monroe package and it will not pass based on gross! Total bs!


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...it will not pass based on gross! Total bs!

It continues to be interesting to watch the never ending dominoes fall. The commitment to stay in one's familiar environment is a strong trait in the human animal. I would be curious to know if you Cali holdouts think things are "bound" to get better if only you holdout long enough? Or, in the back of you minds you know you will succumb to the inevitable and you will eventually have to move? Regardless of the current factors that make you stay put, family, etc.


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...it will not pass based on gross! Total bs!

It continues to be interesting to watch the never ending dominoes fall. The commitment to stay in one's familiar environment is a strong trait in the human animal. I would be curious to know if you Cali holdouts think things are "bound" to get better if only you holdout long enough? Or, in the back of you minds you know you will succumb to the inevitable and you will eventually have to move? Regardless of the current factors that make you stay put, family, etc.


Y’all are lucky y o u didn’t end up with Nancy’s Nephew! It’s like a slow moving tide...it will get there eventually. My mo in-law is keeping us here and I’m sure you get that. Both my kids want to exit stage left too...


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It's all money grubbing here in California. CARB, AQMD, OSHA, some of the aspects are acceptable but they have let their power get out of control. Tax and spend. Fine and spend. A lot of job justifications going on.
 
Posts: 4814 | Location: Cucamonga, Ca | Registered: May 28, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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This just reminded me about when I bought a 1-1/2 hp pool pump motor recently from amazon and it said cannot be shipped to california, made me wonder about electric shop or portable air compressors. Can you still buy them, or are there restrictions on those also?
 
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This just reminded me about when I bought a 1-1/2 hp pool pump motor recently from amazon and it said cannot be shipped to california, made me wonder about electric shop or portable air compressors. Can you still buy them, or are there restrictions on those also?


What are you supposed to do, get a couple of mules to turn a turnstile to turn the pool pump? Didn't think of that

Beautiful state, dysfunctional government......


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Mules are illegal also, too much methane gas emission.
 
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During the last SMOG inspection of my 454 Chevy motor home it was failed for having a 502 engine not because the emission level was too high (it was well within the acceptable range), just because it had a replacement 502 engine. The person conducting the test failed to realize that a 502 was an approved (EOD 3-126) replacement so he failed the test, that cost me $135. When I returned with the proof from CARB that the 502 was an approved replacement he charged me another $135 plus the cost of the certificate.

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They even restrict certain Alien ware computers that cant be shipped there. Consumes too much power.WTF Like the video card is going to bring down the FCN grid.

Bob How the *** did he know the motor was changed from a 54 to an 02? And you had to pay twice cause that DA didn't know what he was doing? What do they check engine serial numbers?

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He discovered the engine change because the 454 was a carbureted engine and the 502 required fuel injection. As soon as he saw that it was injected he started to fail the test then asked me why it was injected, I told him the original 454 broke a rod and killed the block. The replacement engine was a 502. The 502 change required it to be injected.

The final cost to replace the original engine was more than $21,000 (parts and labor) only to fail the smog test. The Referee was initially unaware of the EOD approval. He initially said that I had to drive the coach to Sacramento (1026 mile round trip) so the Referee could make the final decision. I did the research and found the EOD number.

Welcome to California.

Bob
 
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Wow, that is some freaking unbelievable stuff.
My annual Diesel HD pickup inspection here in TX is "Safety Only", no emissions. $7. Online vehicle registration costs about $72.

My brother who just moved here from there calls it "Commiefornia". He has been flying back there every week or 2, at about $1000 a pop, to inch his final project through the absurd building inspections process they have there. Can't schedule multiple inspections at one time, it is step by step. Get past one, call to schedule the next, then wait a week... Sheesh.
What a shame. So much natural beauty, incredible climate & geography... Unfortunately it is now run by a bunch of LUNATIC liberals that are completely out of touch with reality, and have literally trashed the state, in many ways.
I am hoping for the sake of the many good people who live there, that the Recall election removes that POS Gov from office, and eventually kicks his aunt Pelosi out as well. Maybe then some real common sense will return.
It is obvious that dude is working overtime to buy his way out of being recalled, with the many giveaways he has been putting forth lately. Hopefully people see through that BS.


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Born and raised in SoCal, spent my first 36 years of life there. Glad I got out while the getting was good in 1995.
 
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