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Bracket Talk Bracket Talk Forum General Discussion - by FTI National Event BrainstormGo | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
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| DRR Elite |
We haven't had one of these "what would fix nhra" deals in a while. Not having a pandemic would help of course. It seems to me that stock, super stock, super comp, SS and SG, while they are attended by participants, are simply not part of the show. A different variety on the track outside of the pro's could stir some interest from different crowds. What about: -An import class. (I know right?) Maybe not imports but what we normally call ricers. -A "Street" class. I dunno how to define it. But the cars are quite popular right now. -An outlaw open body class, with spec tire. Maybe make it 1000' or 1/8 mile to address safety concerns. Heads up with few limits -Find a way to save slots in the classes for local guys regardless of grade points. Maybe two spots for guys withint 100 miles or something. Something to get the locals interested. -Something with factory hot rods. Late model stuff. Maybe even with bolt ons. Talk about something the manufacturers could get behind! What do you have just for fun? Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | ||
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| DRR Pro |
I like your open thinking & really like the last one! 1980 Camaro Taking the Best Working Small Tire Shyt Box & making it Greater Than Before! 3000 lbs. Pump Gas 436 | |||
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While I can't answer what would fix NHRA I have been thinking this is giving them insight into what racing without stock, super stock, super street and index classes would be like. I have heard on classracer for years that they believe NHRA wants to do national events without them. Well here they are. Keeping TD and TS to fill time because they are really fast along with TF Harley. Just something that has been running through my head. ____________________________ 2017 and 2018 Osage Casinos Tulsa Raceway Park No-Box Champion 2018 Div4 Goodguys Hammer award winner | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
I can, if people had discretionary money in their pockets and stable jobs as was the case prior to 911, NHRA would still be loaded with participants and spectators. Problem for NHRA started in the early 2000's when the US economy began to be offshored to China. | |||
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I'm about to stick my neck back in the rope, hoping that no one pulls the plank out from under me. The problem with eliminating Stock, Super Stock, Super Street, Super Gas, Super Comp, Comp, Top Sportsman and Top Dragster would be the loss of income to help fund the Pro purses. I doubt the spectator gate fees can be increased to cover that loss, especially with todays pandemic, couple with the economic downturn and un-employment problems. The increasing cost of producing a Fuel Show is driving the supporting income fees out of reach for more and more people. It's created a self defeating prophesy. NHRA's real problem is called Nitromethane. It's like the elephant in the room that no one wants talk about. The NHRA feels that they can't survive without it, at the same time they can't consistently fill a "Quality" 16 car Show, they have difficulty selling a shortened 1000 foot race combined with an elevated gate fee, and more importantly can't produce the income to support it. At the same time Fuel Class racing continues getting more expensive resulting in fewer (quality/competitive) cars showing up at events. If this sounds like it's tumbling into the porcelain fixture, you might be right. Somewhere between Nitro cars and really fast entertaining cars, perhaps Pro Mode cars, might be the answer. Spectators want to watch really fast, loud cars they can somewhat relate to that don't necessarily go straight and are exciting to watch. It's all about entertainment value , and nitro cars in this mix are over priced. Bob Oh God, here come the arrows. Sorry if I upset anyone. | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
^^^^wrong like always ^^^^NHRA events have done very well up until the stupid virus thing and fans want to see nitro! | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
And John Force just now announced that he is done for the 2020 season. Bob | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
So JFR isn’t racing. Does that make your post look smart? JFR hasn’t raced since Phoenix | |||
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Only fix right now is a vaccine. | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
The ignore option on DRR is in effect. It's as if you aren't even there Mr. Daily. You get to play all by yourself. Bye bye now. Bob | |||
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| DRR S/Pro |
Isn't this already in place in one form or another with Factory Stock Showdown? With the COPO's, Dragpaks and Cobra Jets? And there should be plenty of interest in the ZR-1's, ZL-1's, Hellcats, and Shelby 500's I would think. Also, I've never understood why NHRA treats Pro Mod like a redheaded stepchild? It's about as entertaining a class as there is, especially for the casual observer. I do understand the resistance from Pro Stock but...... Illegitimi non carborundum | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
As far as I'm concerned NHRA is an anachronism for bracket racers. Do we really need NHRA? If so, why? NHRA certainly doesn't seem to need us or even want us. Fire away. | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
For pro classes? That's easy, use production blocks in all classes, stock bodies in Pro Stock, modified stock bodies in FC, and whatever you want in top fuel. The equipment is over-refined. | |||
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| DRR Elite |
Well good points. IMO, the non pro classes need to pull their own weight. Pay to play like bracket racers do. And yes somethng has to be done about the cost of fuel racing in order to keep it. But that something can't castrate it either.. As far as the dragpacks etc...well, they are pretty spendy. But their regular counter parts aren't. And they can be impressive with bolt ons. Just thinking out loud. Anyhow, I guess they are in financial ruin at this point. So maybe changes are on the way. Foxtrot Juliet Bravo | |||
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| DRR Trophy |
They need to bring back steel roof and quarters to prostock. I have no idea why they got away from that. I also think they should work with local tracks in the area to create a heads up factory stock class. Do a list type thing with the local tracks, and at national time, invite the top car from each track to run off. Have simple requirements, maybe a true street tire, only allow bolt one etc and create a local shootout at national events. | |||
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It’s too late to change the Pro class runaway train. Love PS but not the current direction. TD and TS are fillers also but... The Pros line up to watch! Sportsman racers can support themselves by numbers. No fans needed. NHRA knows this. Bucky; they (NHRA)tried the import series. Not so much participation. NOPI I think.. it would create a bunch of Classification work. There are quite a few imports on the Wed night races here and Summit Series. Tic tic tic California Screaming! Raceless in California! | |||
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There is continued pressure on Pro Stock. With Pro Mod on the seen, they are the Top Fuel of door cars. Now Top Sportsman is getting faster like Top Dragster did. In a few years, Pro Stock will be passed by the ET's and Speeds of TS. I think you leave the safety and current car but change the power plant to what Factory Stock uses. Blowers are what people want to see and that's what you can buy on Monday. For the fuel classes, I think the two qualifier format might be an accidental good thing for the classes. This allows the newer/lower funded teams to complete. The big teams have to throttle back a bit if you want to qualify and now you are seeing some independents coming out. I also think NHRA has to watch the growth of PDRA, MWPMA and others around the country. They seem to have a really good show of constant fast Drag racing. As for the telecast. NHRA has to get away from all the dog and pony that they are doing. Show Racing. Interview but split screen to racing that is happening. We really don't care what JFR had for dinner the other night. Hope all is well during these challenging times. Top Sportsman | |||
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| DRR Sportsman |
I agree that sportsman can support themselves just on car counts. I think they should go to a $20 a head for spectators no matter what day. the average working family does not want to spend a whole pay check to go to the races for one day. lower the gate price and people will spend more inside the fence to make up the difference. I have said for years that the local tracks should do $20 a car load for spectators and sell them more at the concession stand. fans do want to see the fuel cars. they just need to make it more affordable to do so. get them in the gate and let them spend money inside. ep-just my opinion | |||
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bottom line - NHRA doesn't know where or how their revenue stream should be obtained. Now their back is against the wall. You can say what you want about NASCAR, but the France family seen the writing on the wall a few years ago when they secured the multi billion dollar TV deal. Everything else now becomes a mute point for them to exist. | |||
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| DRR Top Comp |
NASCAR is also enslaved now. Evidenced by their black lives matter worship, same as the NFL... Owned slaves. Owned by the status quo ruling class. NASCAR bent over and held their azz cheeks open. Do you think NHRA should do the same? It's a matter of principles. Creeping communism. Slaves and Masters.  This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mike Rietow, | |||
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