Originally posted by Big Steve: Whether the bottom bulb flickering should of triggered a red light in Forces lane is a compulink question, no fault of Force.
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This is the key takeaway here...
Mike
August 15, 2022, 10:10 AM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by SlyFox:
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Originally posted by Big Steve: Whether the bottom bulb flickering should of triggered a red light in Forces lane is a compulink question, no fault of Force.
^^^^^^^^
This is the key takeaway here...
What's the rule? If the bottom bulb flickers in your lane, you lose right?
Did the bottom bulb flicker observably?
It doesn't say anything about the french fryer kicking on, or any other such phenomenon, flickering the bottom bulb in the rule book right?
It just says if the bottom bulb flickers in your lane, you lose automatically right?
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August 15, 2022, 10:29 AM
SlyFox
Force is not responsible for, nor in control of, whatever the timing system does or does not do. It's not like he ran over one of the timing blocks or anything.
Mike
August 15, 2022, 10:35 AM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by SlyFox: Force is not responsible for, nor in control of, whatever the timing system does or does not do. It's not like he ran over one of the timing blocks or anything.
I never said Force was responsible for glitches in the timing equipment.
The question is, what does the rule book say about flickering the bottom bulb?
Does it say if the bottom bulb flickers in your lane, you lose automatically?
If Force isn't responsible for glitches in the timing equipment, neither is Cruz.
What does the rule book say?
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August 15, 2022, 11:17 AM
BP758
If he rolls in and flicked bulb shallow then he goes red. No timer start…. If he goes in deep and then flickers stage light -it does not matter, timers have started.
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August 15, 2022, 12:00 PM
sr4440
Since your time starts when the bottom bulb goes off, if you flicker it, and the tree was active, your time would start because the system thinks you have left the starting line. If you flicker it, after being pre-staged and staged, but the tree is not active, is that leaving the starting line before the tree is active? I think this is a call that compulink can't make and has to be made by the starter.
Personal, i don't care about force, i want to know what the rule is. I have a powerglide that backs up 2 inches when you engage the transbrake, this would be awesome for a deep stager that can use a brake, just pull a John force when you stage.
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August 15, 2022, 12:15 PM
BP758
Guard beam come into play there?
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August 15, 2022, 12:20 PM
Mike Rietow
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Originally posted by sr4440: Since your time starts when the bottom bulb goes off, if you flicker it, and the tree was active, your time would start because the system thinks you have left the starting line. If you flicker it, after being pre-staged and staged, but the tree is not active, is that leaving the starting line before the tree is active? I think this is a call that compulink can't make and has to be made by the starter.
Personal, i don't care about force, i want to know what the rule is. I have a powerglide that backs up 2 inches when you engage the transbrake, this would be awesome for a deep stager that can use a brake, just pull a John force when you stage.
Usually there's a NHRA clarification with an explanation from Brockmeyer (Compulink).
The parameters could've just been set wrong, I dunno.
Wait for a clarification, sure as the sun sets NHRA WILL supply one.
August 15, 2022, 12:38 PM
Mike Rietow
It should be standard by now, they go to the video before a final decision is made.
Every other major sport has instituted video replay, for the final say.
August 15, 2022, 12:38 PM
sr4440
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Originally posted by BP758: Guard beam come into play there?
"Some tracks use a third infrared beam, called a guard beam. Its job is to prevent a part hanging underneath or in front of the car from blocking the stage and guard beams. This could result in giving a racer an unfair advantage by giving them a rolling start before the elapsed time (ET) clock starts and reducing the racer’s ET. A red foul light is triggered when the guard beam is activated while the stage light is still lit, automatically disqualifying the offending racer." https://www.onallcylinders.com...stage-your-drag-car/
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August 15, 2022, 12:58 PM
Goob
You can be flickering the stage beam, shallow or deep, you only have to be "in" when the tree fires.
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August 15, 2022, 01:01 PM
sr4440
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Originally posted by Goob: You can be flickering the stage beam, shallow or deep, you only have to be "in" when the tree fires.
ok, but if you flicker it deep, haven't you left the stating line before the tree was active?
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August 15, 2022, 01:07 PM
pauley
I suppose he technically rolled through the beams but the bottom bulb was on when the tree lit up so technically as far as the tree knows he was in.
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August 15, 2022, 02:52 PM
1320racer
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Originally posted by Goob: You can be flickering the stage beam, shallow or deep, you only have to be "in" when the tree fires.
This^^^
August 15, 2022, 04:29 PM
CURTIS REED
How do you flicker the bottom after rolling through and putting the top light out without going so far that you should have been red lighted?
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August 15, 2022, 10:35 PM
Curly1
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Originally posted by CURTIS REED: How do you flicker the bottom after rolling through and putting the top light out without going so far that you should have been red lighted?
Well that is what I was thinking but honestly I never deep stage so just have not paid much attention to that and do not know the answer to it. Has to be something with way system is set up.
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August 16, 2022, 07:16 AM
60 falcon
It also shows Force's reaction time as -.275
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August 16, 2022, 07:05 PM
imakehp
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Originally posted by 60 falcon: It also shows Force's reaction time as -.275
He must have reacted to Cruz's WAY early leave...This message has been edited. Last edited by: imakehp,
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August 16, 2022, 08:01 PM
ChuckT
I would think/hope Compulink is set up to where if someone turns off the stage bulb, it's a foul start. I watched the round on Sunday's coverage, and I'm wondering if the tree fired right before Force flickered the stage bulb off. I have not gone back to watch the replays.
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August 17, 2022, 02:16 AM
irf3
Should have been a rerun. Nhra failed to make the correct decision!