You'd think tracks would like it. It may scare a few people off from screwing around and refusing to stage first.
Tony Leonard
April 16, 2024, 09:56 AM
Phil Dees
You don't have to sweep the wheels to start autostart.
April 16, 2024, 11:59 AM
BP758
quote:
Originally posted by Phil Dees: You don't have to sweep the wheels to start autostart.
True. I bet I saw 15 cars flickering stage lamp in Vegas lane 1. First round and second..Anf I mean longer than 7 seconds.. yes I was keeping time..
Raceless in California!
April 16, 2024, 02:54 PM
TORQIN
Pfffft, certainly don't need to turn the wheel to flicker the bulb.
Notice the way Cory stages...same thing, different approach. Turn two bulbs on back up till bottom light goes out. Trick on the tree is as ridiculous as the alleged rule.
April 17, 2024, 09:03 AM
DragRaceResults
I can't agree more with Guilty. Actually both the staging processes of backing into the bulb and staging with the wheel sideways speeds up the staging process. I guess Summit Motorsports Park like the process implemented by Chris Bear and Randy Scheurer over the years.
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Wheel sweep only works on racers who volunteer to play the game.
April 17, 2024, 12:27 PM
BD104X
quote:
Originally posted by Phil Dees: Wheel sweep only works on racers who volunteer to play the game.
THIS 100%. If you get caught with this, it just means you're playing staging games too and not as well as the other lane.
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April 17, 2024, 02:18 PM
Turk
Sweeping the wheel is in fact what is triggering the autostart process with that stage beam by locking in the time it needs so see the bulb on. The timing system once locked in is only going to look again at the stage beam being activated right before the tree fires. Now that is if both cars are pre staged and the starter armed the tree. Then sweeping the wheel game comes into effect and the countdown starts. You can even practice this on a time run or signal pass. you just have to know in your mind the count down when to turn the wheel back. Just my view if you have to play games on the starting line like that to me it shows Total lack of sportsmanship and any respect for this industry. If you have to cheat to win are you really winning and if you do win because of it is not a true win.
April 17, 2024, 04:32 PM
Goob
This has been going on since the dawn of Autostart, the difference now is that one of Jr's buddies must have gotten butthurt.
We had to put a temporary ban on the practice of backing through the beams into pre-stage, and proceeding from there, because it skeeeered some natives at a few of our special events. Just to quiet the crying.
If you don't understand how the systems work, feel free to keep crying, and donating to the winning purses.
"Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375
April 17, 2024, 04:34 PM
Goob
quote:
Originally posted by Turk: Sweeping the wheel is in fact what is triggering the autostart process with that stage beam by locking in the time it needs so see the bulb on. The timing system once locked in is only going to look again at the stage beam being activated right before the tree fires. Now that is if both cars are pre staged and the starter armed the tree. Then sweeping the wheel game comes into effect and the countdown starts. You can even practice this on a time run or signal pass. you just have to know in your mind the count down when to turn the wheel back. Just my view if you have to play games on the starting line like that to me it shows Total lack of sportsmanship and any respect for this industry. If you have to cheat to win are you really winning and if you do win because of it is not a true win.
It's not cheating, it's gamesmanship, and if you can't deal with it, your program is weak.
No, I've never done it, nor do I have any love for those that do, but the race is only in my lane.
"Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375
April 17, 2024, 05:56 PM
Michael Beard
It's always been illegal in each sanctioning body, just not enforced. To paraphrase, "Final staging must be in a forward motion using applied power." New rules come about because people try to find loopholes clearly not in the spirit of the rules.
It's ironic to hear people in this thread talking about people crying. LOL
Sweeping the wheel cheating? C'mon so is holding numbers then.
You can stage it upside-down for all I care...I can go ahead and mark Norwalk off our calendar. Trick on the tree is as ridiculous as doing a burnout across the line in a 6.0 door car and backing back and forth thru water to do a burnout...fight me?
April 18, 2024, 12:15 AM
Tom396
Yea. I'm gonna go with rich people problems. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
April 18, 2024, 07:24 AM
329L
What happens if both re-re's are sweeping the wheel?
Jeremiah Hall
April 18, 2024, 08:45 AM
TORQIN
Then you each have 7 or so seconds to stage. Staging the car seems to be the issue...not turning the wheel.
April 18, 2024, 09:43 AM
329L
You do have to understand where the track is coming from. It IS a game, because the guy sweeping the wheels, IS SAYING, "stage or else"
**edit** I dont think this is cheating, it is a game however
Jeremiah Hall
April 19, 2024, 04:04 PM
Bucky
quote:
Originally posted by TORQIN: Then you each have 7 or so seconds to stage. Staging the car seems to be the issue...not turning the wheel.
Agreed. Sweeping the wheel isn't allowed but refusing to stage first is. Both willing participants in gamesmanship.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
April 19, 2024, 04:39 PM
Goob
Is it any different than little league players taunting the batter?
Do they still allow that?
"Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular." Dave Cook N375
Take care. Tom Worthington