Bracket AND heads up events at small/local tracks?
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Originally posted by Nim Rod:
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Originally posted by imakehp:
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Originally posted by Nim Rod:
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Originally posted by imakehp: I guess I'm just stupid....I've always thought all you need to have fun drag-racing was to cut a light and run you dial/index....Doesn't matter to me if I open the door to get out or climb up and out out like a monkey...
Agreed. If you wanna drive a roadster, fine by me. But: 1.) it’s not a door car 2.) don’t pretend it is 3.) it doesn’t belong in a door slammer class
Bracket race it all you want tho, if that’s what tickles your pickle.
I don't presently own a roadster....I also don't own a "door" car at the moment....bUT I do own a dragster right now that I run in brackets....It doesn't matter to me what I'm racing...racing is racing...cut a light and run your number....If you get something out of whining about what a racecar looks like, have at it.....I don't care
I don't understand what this dumbass comment seeks to achieve given that in the quote of mine you used I explicitly say that I don't care what you drive to bracket race. I am just opposed to allowing roadsters to race against door cars in a race where dragsters and altereds are separated from door cars. To me, roadsters do not equal and are not the same as door cars. That's all I'm saying.
*sniff*
. Dave
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September 01, 2023, 07:03 AM
Nim Rod
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September 01, 2023, 12:21 PM
Brktracer
Re: Shadyside Dragway
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Originally posted by Tom396:
So are they doing Gambler's Races during their Heads Up events or is a true Bracket program being run with the Heads Up events? Is whatever they are doing working well for them? Are all or most of the parties involved happy with how it is working out? Thanks and take care. Tom Worthington
Sort of. You should check out their flyers. They are doing heads up classes during the bracket races. Sort of a combined event. Definitely more bracket racers at these events. They call it the "No Brainer" series. They get more spectators than typically at a bracket race. They do a "free" entry (gate fee applies) on Friday and points race on Saturday.
I know it's probably too far for you. They run a good race. Track is always on point. I've been impressed with how they run the track. Everybody knows what's going on. Example - I was double entered and forgot to add my "X". They caught and fixed it before I went to tell them. Response was, "We caught that and already fixed it." Check out Shadyside if you can.
Matt Ward
September 03, 2023, 06:28 PM
Tom396
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Originally posted by Brktracer: Re: Shadyside Dragway
Sort of. You should check out their flyers. They are doing heads up classes during the bracket races. Sort of a combined event. Definitely more bracket racers at these events. They call it the "No Brainer" series. They get more spectators than typically at a bracket race. They do a "free" entry (gate fee applies) on Friday and points race on Saturday.
I know it's probably too far for you. They run a good race. Track is always on point. I've been impressed with how they run the track. Everybody knows what's going on. Example - I was double entered and forgot to add my "X". They caught and fixed it before I went to tell them. Response was, "We caught that and already fixed it." Check out Shadyside if you can.
Sounds pretty great, to me. I will check out their flyer(s). You are right, I don't care much for traveling. However, it is nice to hear it is working well for somebody relatively close by. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
September 04, 2023, 07:12 AM
Bucky
I wish the local heads up crowd could be worked with. But they want 10 classes for 20 cars, and track prep every round to have the cars absolutely glued. They are virtually impossible to work with it seems. It's a shame because they end up having to travel and have fewer opportunities.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
September 04, 2023, 07:43 AM
Tom396
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Originally posted by Bucky: I wish the local heads up crowd could be worked with. But they want 10 classes for 20 cars, and track prep every round to have the cars absolutely glued. They are virtually impossible to work with it seems. It's a shame because they end up having to travel and have fewer opportunities.
In this area, a small group of promoters travel from track to track, running their own deal. Same rules, same purses, etc., etc. each time. They typically offer a gambler's race for bracket racers. It is just something to avoid so much downtime that the heads up races generate. I am not sure of the exact agreement, but it appears the promoter pays the track operator a flat fee to use the facilities, and the track operator has very little to do with the action. One thing I am absolutely sure of. The promoters are making huge coin. The stands are packed . And sponsors are lined up to help them make even more. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
September 04, 2023, 07:46 AM
Curly1
The No prep / Street Outlaws deal does not impress me. I guess I am tired of the Fake Drama and big money. Like the Kardashians of racing.
They do get a lot of people but not for me.
Still if it brings in money for the track then run them. We need the tracks to stay open. I have long said the successful tracks have a variety of different races to appeal to all. Even then it is a tough business and getting harder every day.
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September 04, 2023, 10:24 AM
Eman
Tracks in this area seemed to have figured it out, or at least some of them have. There is a couple of traveling series that run heads up, index or backward races. Then there's the regular bracket programs. This is spread out within a few hours travel time and good local tracks. Then we have the big track, Bristol, that runs an NHRA sanctioned bracket program. Then we have the smaller older tracks that run a mix, one mostly heads up stuff and the other brackets. Everyone today has the great advantage of seeing any and every program going on at every track around the country. Track owners and promoters can see what's working and what is possible just by looking at FB.
Do most folks like that format? Are car counts pretty good? Do they fill the stands?
The flyer looks good, but you just never know how it is working out unless you've seen it in practice. Thanks and take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
September 07, 2023, 09:36 AM
Eman
I'm not a fan of mixed races like this, usually takes too long with too many classes. They do get good attendance and good crowds. Between London, Knoxville, Brainerd GA, and London they run a good series. Another thing that has taken off over time is the South East Gassers, they will pack the places they race at. When they first started they would come to a track and put on a show during a regular bracket race. They refined the series and have enough following that they are their own show with a large car count. If you've never seen it you should, it's 8 hours of non stop incredible old school heads up racing. They'll be at Knoxville this weekend, second time this year.
September 14, 2023, 10:06 AM
fuzzy dice
I am not a fan of too many classes at an event...I think 5 is a good number, for example, box, no box and three index classes...doesn't confuse the race fans much and the car counts per class might be decent...here in the south, index racing is not that prevalent...
September 14, 2023, 10:11 AM
Nim Rod
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Originally posted by fuzzy dice: I am not a fan of too many classes at an event...I think 5 is a good number, for example, box, no box and three index classes...doesn't confuse the race fans much and the car counts per class might be decent...here in the south, index racing is not that prevalent...
agreed, but even in the south w/out index there are a lot of classes. For example, at a track I raced at this year they had top, fb, street/sportsman, teen racer, and juniors. That's five right there without any indexes
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September 14, 2023, 10:26 AM
Yellow Ticket
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I am not sure of the exact agreement, but it appears the promoter pays the track operator a flat fee to use the facilities, and the track operator has very little to do with the action. One thing I am absolutely sure of. The promoters are making huge coin. The stands are packed . And sponsors are lined up to help them make even more. Take care. Tom Worthington
Good for them, keeps interest in the sport. If someone made me run a series or a track, this would be my business plan.
September 15, 2023, 02:02 PM
Tom396
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Originally posted by Yellow Ticket:
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I am not sure of the exact agreement, but it appears the promoter pays the track operator a flat fee to use the facilities, and the track operator has very little to do with the action. One thing I am absolutely sure of. The promoters are making huge coin. The stands are packed . And sponsors are lined up to help them make even more. Take care. Tom Worthington
Good for them, keeps interest in the sport. If someone made me run a series or a track, this would be my business plan.
Oh, I agree with that business plan. I just wish we could keep the bracket racing going by hitching our stuff to the heads up events. Of course, I have actually heard many bracket racers state that the track operator ought to take some of his profits from heads up events and use them to boost the bracket day purses. The more logical approach, if the bracket racers insist on their own stand alone events, is to simply stop having bracket races at all. I've seen it happen, and hate it. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
September 18, 2023, 01:54 PM
Goob
Tom, my notion is to charge a nominal fee for car/driver, provide a good track, a trophy for the winners, timing and scoring, and let the racers pool their money for the purse they want to run for.
Let them feel the reality of what it takes to fund the expected purses.
On a good day, the S/P purse was $300-$500 more than what was taken in. The other classes carried the weight.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Goob,
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September 18, 2023, 03:04 PM
M120
Atco used to have a gamblers race on Tuesday nights. It was also a Street night and had T&T for slick tired cars. There would be a good spectator turn out and lines at the concessions.
It was $40 to enter gamblers. 20 went to track and 20 to purse. $10 of each racer went to the winner. 60 cars=$600 to the winner .Usually paid 8 cars. Prices rose over the years but that was the game plan.
September 18, 2023, 09:40 PM
Tom396
This past Friday (9/15/23), Nahunta had their regular bracket race and a small tire heads up eliminator. Only four cars entered the heads up race. The spectator crowd still enjoyed watching them. They didn't show times, but I could tell they were wicked fast. Also, it gave the track announcer a good opportunity to promote the all heads up event scheduled for this coming Saturday. I suspect the track will make more profit on this Saturday than it has for the past three or four bracket/test and tune nights combined. I'm hoping they have more heads up events during their bracket events. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
September 18, 2023, 09:47 PM
Tom396
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Originally posted by Goob: Tom, my notion is to charge a nominal fee for car/driver, provide a good track, a trophy for the winners, timing and scoring, and let the racers pool their money for the purse they want to run for.
Let them feel the reality of what it takes to fund the expected purses.
On a good day, the S/P purse was $300-$500 more than what was taken in. The other classes carried the weight.
OK. So you and I show up. Will anybody else? Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
September 18, 2023, 09:53 PM
Tom396
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Originally posted by M120: Atco used to have a gamblers race on Tuesday nights. It was also a Street night and had T&T for slick tired cars. There would be a good spectator turn out and lines at the concessions.
It was $40 to enter gamblers. 20 went to track and 20 to purse. $10 of each racer went to the winner. 60 cars=$600 to the winner .Usually paid 8 cars. Prices rose over the years but that was the game plan.
I was just about to ask if that formula was still working out...and then realized it was Atco. Take care. Tom Worthington
If it seems that bracket racing has gotten too expensive for you, maybe you are just doing it wrong.
Take care. Tom Worthington
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