"Fat cats who produce nothing" whaaatt????

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Originally posted by Mike Rietow:
The only real problem with house cars, is the same problem we have in society. Fat cats who produce nothing profiting off production of the labor of those, who do produce something.

First, I don't like the idea of house cars and I think promoters who allow them are less than integratable...but they are not against any rules of bracket racing.

Your statement implies that a promoter (fat cat) produces nothing and takes advantage of the lowly house car driver while pocketing the big bucks is an unfair arrangement. As if the fat cat promoter has no time, energy, money, and risk invested in the planning and implementation of whatever they are promoting, and the house car, isn't getting a free low pressure entry to an event that they get enjoyment and potentially a financial reward out of.

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Produce - make

Make a win light come on.

Produce - cause

Cause to happen, win light to come on.

We need a department of common sense.

I guess I will have to take this deafening silence as a sign that nobody is interested in my offer? Take care. Tom Worthington

So exactly how many house cars are winning these races ? Obviously they dilute the field and paying customers suffer losses to them .

I do not like "House Cars". Now it may not be CHEATING or against the rules but it sure opens up the possibility when the promoter has a vested interest in who wins.

Is there any difference when a house car or paying car kicks your ass?
The only time house cars screw the racer is if they do an early count and add a car or 2 with buybacks to go from 32 to 33, or 16 to 17, in later rounds in order to pay 17 cars rather then 32 cars, or 9 rather then 16!

Curious as to the true definition of a "House Car".

If you run the son of the track manager is that a "House Car"?

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
Is there any difference when a house car or paying car kicks your ass?
The only time house cars screw the racer is if they do an early count and add a car or 2 with buybacks to go from 32 to 33, or 16 to 17, in later rounds in order to pay 17 cars
rather then 32 cars, or 9 rather then 16!

You mean like when a promotor adds 15 cars thru a raffle to go from 115 cars to 130 ? Does that ring any bells for anyone?

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Originally posted by 27Keith:

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Originally posted by Bill Koski:
Is there any difference when a house car or paying car kicks your ass?
The only time house cars screw the racer is if they do an early count and add a car or 2 with buybacks to go from 32 to 33, or 16 to 17, in later rounds in order to pay 17 cars
rather then 32 cars, or 9 rather then 16!

You mean like when a promotor adds 15 cars thru a raffle to go from 115 cars to 130 ? Does that ring any bells for anyone?

That's a right. Nothing wrong with selling entries.

Reinstate a losing car using a fictional story to change the ladder at 16 cars, to 17 cars is theft - wrong.

Bracket Talk 5 (House Cars & Re Entry Rounds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz1Y2To_838

never heard of these guys. Just two more guys with an opinion and their opinion means nothing to the racers supporting these big $ gambler races or the promotors putting on these events.

Their streams are kind of interesting to listen to. Better than sitting here watching snow fall!

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Their streams are kind of interesting to listen to. Better than sitting here watching snow fall!

Didn't watch past the first few minutes of their verbal exchange on the topic of house cars. Maybe if I'd viewed the entire video I may have seen the "conflict of interest" perception/issue discussed. Early on one of the web-shows hosts stated his opinion was that a promotor entering house car/s was no different than a race team sponsor. BIG DIFFERENCE is: a (marketing partner) paying sponsor is usually not organizing and financing the competition/event. The team sponsor is not making decisions regarding judgment calls during the course of said competition and generally has no part of the money cut due to them if the "sponsored" team wins money...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is if a person (especially one in position of authority) vigilantly strives to avoid any real or perceived conflict of interest, that behavior illustrates a deep commitment to building and maintaining a reputation of integrity. This could only have a positive impact on the promotion, not harm it...

Unless it actually IS all about the money...

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Unless it actually IS all about the money...

The irony here is that big money races, really are kinda all about the money. Of course that makes it all that much more important to have a system that protects the integrity of the race and results. (sounds like election talk now)
Over the years we have let some practices become commonplace in money races. Some we hold our noses and accept. Others perhaps we don't care.

Bring up the topic of buy backs, and multiple round buy backs, raffles for a ticket back in, multiple car or driver entries..... The fact of the matter is that it really is all about the money. Making sure there is enough money to attract racers from far and wide to take a stab at it. Money enough so that the risk/reward for promoting and holding these races make sense. Are house cars on of those things that make it all possible? Do we hold our noses and accept that they are part of money races? I really don't do much money races beyond local 5k's. But there are claims here of prescription drug abuse to gain advantage as well. Even lack of tech and enforcement of safety rules. What will be that one incident that makes everybody pause when it comes to these races? Predictions?

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Originally posted by Mad Dog:

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Their streams are kind of interesting to listen to. Better than sitting here watching snow fall!

Didn't watch past the first few minutes of their verbal exchange on the topic of house cars. Maybe if I'd viewed the entire video I may have seen the "conflict of interest" perception/issue discussed. Early on one of the web-shows hosts stated his opinion was that a promotor entering house car/s was no different than a race team sponsor. BIG DIFFERENCE is: a (marketing partner) paying sponsor is usually not organizing and financing the competition/event. The team sponsor is not making decisions regarding judgment calls during the course of said competition and generally has no part of the money cut due to them if the "sponsored" team wins money...

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. My opinion is if a person (especially one in position of authority) vigilantly strives to avoid any real or perceived conflict of interest, that behavior illustrates a deep commitment to building and maintaining a reputation of integrity. This could only have a positive impact on the promotion, not harm it...

Unless it actually IS all about the money...

It's gambling, get as many cars in with as many entries as you can. Throw a bunch of **** at the wall, and hope some sticks. Yeah, it's about the money. Every now and then someone shows up with one entry, pulls in the staging lanes and gets all the right people and wins, no buyback on one entry. It happens.

Now with that being said. You're putting the cart before the horse. It's not a matter of opinion anyone has a right to put a car in the race. Integrity is not a matter of perception, when on the other hand the possibility of a lack of integrity, is a perception based on your experiences within a society which has completey forfeited its relationship with Truth.

Now back to integrity. In reality based on the laws of the universe in nature, integrity is determined on a case by case basis, in a society which hasn't completely forfeited its relationship with Truth, of course.

It's not a wrong for anyone to put anyone in a race, it's a right. What makes it wrong from your viewpoint and a conflict of interest in your opinion, is your experience's in a society, which has completely forfeited its relationship with Truth.

The horse is Truth, the cart is integrity. You're putting the cart before the horse, based on your experience's in a society, which has completely forfeited its relationship with Truth.

Let's be clear on this, IF the promoter has house cars in the race...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY...

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Originally posted by TORQIN:
Let's be clear on this, IF the promoter has house cars in the race...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY...

What about sponsors of the race? If they have cars in the race, is it all about the currency?

It's always all about the currency! More cars, more currency, more momentum going into the next race!!

Come on! You know how this works, more entry's the better! A lot of these guys put in, wouldn't be there, if they weren't put in, again because of currency, or lack of!!

One guy I know, won't say no names hasn't two dimes to rub together just won a 50! Good for him! Probably put in I'd BET!!