one of our local tracks this past weekend allowed the winner & runner up! of footbrake to drop into the remaining Top race, is this fare? for one they payed a different/lower entry fee & buy back .. I can go along with maybe the winner but definitely not both.. what's everyone else's thoughts/opinions

I think it was A. I good way to try and get the footbrakers to ante up a $100 entry fee for a $1,000 purse. And B. It is just another attempt to just have ONE eliminator, rather than two. And finally C. It didn't pan out, the way the folks that conceived of it thought it would.

Fact of the matter is, only folks who have lots of completely disposable income want to pay entry fees like that. Take care. Tom Worthington

I heard they had a total of 11 cars. Wesley Roberts and Tucker Creech went in with the Top entries. Tom hit the nail on the head as for the most part a foot brake car don't have much chance. But since so few showed up that deal came up short for the track after dreaming up that conn job. $100 entry for a $1000 winners purse, What a deal!

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
I heard they had a total of 11 cars. Wesley Roberts and Tucker Creech went in with the Top entries. Tom hit the nail on the head as for the most part a foot brake car don't have much chance. But since so few showed up that deal came up short for the track after dreaming up that conn job. $100 entry for a $1000 winners purse, What a deal!

They were running for $10,000, not $1,000. The $1,000 was a bonus. Yes, it WAS a deal. Calling it a con job is completely asinine. It was $150 for a 2-day entry. $75 for $11,000/Win? ...proving once again that people will complain about anything.

They only guys that could possibly gripe about this format at all would be the Box guys, as the original post pointed out. But that being said, if you want the cheaper entry and buyback, etc., run Footbrake. It's a promotional deal. It's shocking that more people don't jump on it, but apparently a lot of folks don't have a clue as to how it works or what they're really running for.

Also, the idea that a footbrake car doesn't have much of a chance is ridiculous. Steve Lucas was killing them at the Halloween Havoc race last year, which was the same format.

The Sniper Series race at Keystone the other week ran No-Box separate from Box cars, but not completely separate (if odd #, last No-Box car would run a Box car), and we paid the same entry, and had the same payout. The difference was that a fair number of No-Box cars bothered to show up (33 Sat, closer to 40 on Sunday, I believe), which means the last No-Box car standing was in the Quarters. No-Box driver Russ Benish ended up winning the whole thing in the Saturday race.

Did the footbraker get his purse plus a shot at the top purse? If so it's good for him but bad for the top guys.

Curtis

yes, infact a footbraker won both of Sundays races.

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Originally posted by CURTIS REED:
Did the footbraker get his purse plus a shot at the top purse? If so it's good for him but bad for the top guys.

Curtis

I get the lack of interest from the local footbrakers, but where were the "touring" footbrakers? The ones I see every weekend on MotormaniaTV? Did they not know about this event/format? If they get the word out, maybe they'll get more participation next time Galot tries it.

Just 30 miles away, at a tiny track, we had three times that many footbrake entries on Saturday. Regular $40 entry and regular $1,000 purse. Everyone I spoke to there was aware of the Galot format for the weekend. One was even in the Galot race on Saturday and had time to make it to the little track in time to run there. Take care. Tom Worthington

If you do not like it choose another place to race. Simple.

OK without a flyer or a better description of what the race actually was this is all a guess.
Sounds like you entered the Footbrake race and along with the basic purse it gave you an entry into the Box race for winner and runner up. I can see the local regular FB guys not wanting to buck up for a higher entry fee. Many racers have a budget and higher fees for a chance at higher payout might sound like a good deal but not in the budget, if only 11 got in that sounds like the deal.
Now as far as the OP's posts sounds like the box guys are upset they got beat by a lowly footbraker. The box guys knew what the deal was just like the footbrakers did. Maybe they'll pull the boxes for the lower entry fee next time.

I have no problem with the winner of footbrake advancing.

I believe it was the fifth round of the race when the footbrake final occurred. That same round on the TOP ET side there were around 13 losers that round none of those losers were allowed to continue in the race. So why should the footbrake runner up be allowed to continue, they lost just like the ones in TOP ET.
But it was on the flyer, so we knew the race rules before we started.

Congrats to the winners.

Flyer for reference: https://www.facebook.com/GALOT...6984/?type=3&theater

Numerous big money races have a similar format these days, although GALOT is the only one that advances both the Winner & RU instead of just the winner.

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Ducky you can defend it if you choose but like Tom said if it was such a good deal where were the "touring" foot brakers and some that live in the area and were racing at other tracks. The proof is in the participation. Even Piedmont had more bottom bulb cars on Sunday some that had come from the Fling at Bristol.

If it was on the flyer and known before the race what is the problem? No Problem.

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Originally posted by Curly1:
If you do not like it choose another place to race. Simple.

If it was on the flyer and known before the race what is the problem? No Problem.

You called it. The local footbrakers read the flyer and decided to go elsewhere. I think, that if they want it to appeal to big buck touring footbrakers, they need to do a better job of promoting it directly to them. Maybe by placing it in the big buck event section here, for instance? Take care. Tom Worthington

Just because people don't LIKE it or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not a good deal. That's a logical fallacy. The fact is, the majority of footbrake and other bottom bulb racers don't like even the possibility of racing against Box cars, even when it's late in the race.

A number of your "touring" FB racers like Humes, Pollard, and Hastings were at the Fall Fling 500K. I was at the Summit Team Finals at Pittsburgh.

I guess Galot got the message. I saw a flyer for their next race and FB is completely separated. Great purse for FB and pro.

When I choose where to race I look at travel distance, payout for expected car count and other things.

In the end you go race where you want to and like it best. If nobody shows up the track will change to what most people want or suffer. We all want tracks to survive.

Ernie Humes was at Piedmont Sun....Hastings & Pollard were at home maybe. I see they changed it so must have got the idea that most didn't think it was such a good deal.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
Just because people don't LIKE it or don't understand it doesn't mean it's not a good deal. That's a logical fallacy. The fact is, the majority of footbrake and other bottom bulb racers don't like even the possibility of racing against Box cars, even when it's late in the race.

A number of your "touring" FB racers like Humes, Pollard, and Hastings were at the Fall Fling 500K. I was at the Summit Team Finals at Pittsburgh.

Yep. Those folks could only be one place at a time. Maybe GALOT will do a better job of scheduling, the next time they try it. It'll be a good deal for somebody. Heck, the million dollar races that have $2,000 entry fees with multiple entries and $500 b*ybacks are already a great deal for somebody. Just not enough of those type of somebodies to fill out the field...yet. Take care. Tom Worthington

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Originally posted by Eman:
I guess Galot got the message. I saw a flyer for their next race and FB is completely separated. Great purse for FB and pro.

If my understanding is correct, Capitol Raceway got the message too. They also had the idea of combining their eliminators into one, with a higher entry fee and higher purse. They have since returned to the two eliminator system. Take care. Tom Worthington