I am looking at the flyer for a Big Dollar race next week, it has buy backs first and second round, and "mulligans" $20 or 3/50 What is a mulligan? and when and why would I buy them?

Typically speaking, a mulligan gets you back into the race any round you lose except the final. You'll have to buy it before first round, most likely. Might vary a little, but that's the general idea. Reviews are mixed . . .

Way I have seen it is they sell chances and about 4th round or so draw 2 out and they run each other with the winner getting back into the race around the ladder or 8 cars. Its a BS deal for the track or promotor to make more money--and 2 rounds of buybacks, come on man!

I recently read a flyer that basically said "One lucky racer will be drawn and advanced to the 4th round. Multiple chances can be purchased in each race." It did not mention if the one lucky racer had to win any rounds prior to the fourth round. I'm wondering if that means somebody could lose first round (or second, or third), be eliminated, and then suddenly show up in the fourth round? Strange days indeed we live in. Take care. Tom Worthington

You are right Tom---depending on the promotor or track they do it different ways but the end result is someone gets back in the short lines without earning the spot---they bought it

no way I would support that race!

Mulligans are run any number of different ways, even seen someone use it in the final. It all depends on the track and how it's done. This sounds like a drawing or lottery, Tracks even award a mulligan as a prize for winning a closest to the dial time run. No matter what it's like a get out of jail free card to be used once the buy back rounds are gone.

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Originally posted by Tim Mitchell:
no way I would support that race!

But honestly, would you have even noticed the fine print if it hadn't been pointed out? Take care. Tom Worthington

you did not read the flyer correctly Tom it is 1st OR 2nd rd buybacks Not both and the way the mulligans work the race you are looking it is 2 tickets are pulled and the 2 racers race off at the end of the 3rd round with the winner moving onto the 4th rd. Probably should have made a call to the number on the flyer instead of coming on here with wrong info

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Originally posted by topd1332:
you did not read the flyer correctly Tom it is 1st OR 2nd rd buybacks Not both and the way the mulligans work the race you are looking it is 2 tickets are pulled and the 2 racers race off at the end of the 3rd round with the winner moving onto the 4th rd. Probably should have made a call to the number on the flyer instead of coming on here with wrong info

Yep. I am not at all confused now. Thanks and take care. Tom Worthington

Why not add a silent auction before the race to become the 4th car in the semi finals. That should give the promoter another $2000- $3000 at a 10K.

Tom 396, I am one of those guys that reads the flier. I would have caught it. Any more than 1 round of buybacks and I wouldn't be there. that's just me,I like no buybacks and a gamblers race starting after 3rd round for the losers

30+ years ago at a race up North with a short field Terry Sinke and Royce miller approached the track owner with a novel idea to let the losers of the first round buy back into the second round. Look where that got us today, its routine almost everywhere and even 2nd or 3rd round some times. If these muligans or whatever they call them get a foothold we will see them everywhere. Shame we can't just race and if you lose first round pack it up till the next race. Had none of this years ago and the tracks made money

I like buybacks but do not like the idea of mulligans. Still to me it does not matter much. You look at the rules, how far it is, what the payout is and if you like the track. Then you decide where you want to race. You go where you want to. The promoters are in business to make money so they try to set it up how they can get best car count.

Mulligans are another source of cash for the promoter, I not willing to gamble this way , I prefer the crap tables at Vegas.... Much Bigger bang for the Buck......

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Originally posted by J178RED:
Mulligans are another source of cash for the promoter, I not willing to gamble this way , I prefer the crap tables at Vegas.... Much Bigger bang for the Buck......

Hey if we all judge what we are going to race or not race based on bang for the buck compared to other things in life.......racing will evaporate! So let's not do that!

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Hey if we all judge what we are going to race or not race based on bang for the buck compared to other things in life.......racing will evaporate! So let's not do that!

Racing almost never makes financial sense, but that doesn't mean we need to go along with any stupid thing just for the health of the sport.

It is good for racing that there is no objective way to measure 'bang for the buck' so we can talk ourselves into a lot of stupid stuff!

Many years ago in the mid 90's Thunder Valley in Noble OK had one. You had two groups a winner bracket and a mulligan bracket the final round was the winner from each. Double tech card and mulligan's and you could put a lot of passes on a car.every round the mulligan side was growing.

Jeesss... No joking around allowed here I guess Sorry I offended you two ....


I been to Vegas many, many times, been in a casino very time and never played a dime.... but LVMS raceway has taken my money a lot over the years....

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Originally posted by AZ:
Why not add a silent auction before the race to become the 4th car in the semi finals. That should give the promoter another $2000- $3000 at a 10K.

I assume that was meant in jest.

However, I think we all know that if that deal were actually coupled to a large guaranteed purse, it would not only fly, it would make more and more profit every year it was run.

Take care. Tom Worthington