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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Rocket surgery?

Rocket Science combined with Brain Surgery.

...it was a joke. -=sigh=-

If it helps I got it. LOL

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Rocket surgery?

Rocket Science combined with Brain Surgery.

...it was a joke. -=sigh=-

I swear I wrote that on my response. Last week or so my posts are, incomplete often. Anyhow mine was an LOL.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Other than loyalty to the letters, what is behind the negativity towards the new sanctioning body? Are you reluctant to get on board because the organization is new and you are unsure about the people or the mission? Because right now tgat is also applying to IHRA.

^^^ This.

I've never seen so many people b*tch about a startup for no reason.

For one, I don't see that there is anything better than any other body. I also would have liked to hear what IHRA and WDRA have planned for the future. So far WDRA sounds no different than IHRA of 2020, so why change before knowing what IHRA is going to do. Myself, I'm hoping IHRA makes some cool door car related classes like PDRA.

Best I can tell there is about 240 tracks here in America. Looks like a significant amount has made the switch.

As of right now I do not see anything better or much different than the other "HRA's" but looks like some tracks see something.

There has been enough change that it has to get some attention and hopefully make some changes for better.

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Originally posted by Mike Nitzsche:

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

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Originally posted by Bucky:
Other than loyalty to the letters, what is behind the negativity towards the new sanctioning body? Are you reluctant to get on board because the organization is new and you are unsure about the people or the mission? Because right now tgat is also applying to IHRA.

^^^ This.

I've never seen so many people b*tch about a startup for no reason.

For one, I don't see that there is anything better than any other body. I also would have liked to hear what IHRA and WDRA have planned for the future. So far WDRA sounds no different than IHRA of 2020, so why change before knowing what IHRA is going to do. Myself, I'm hoping IHRA makes some cool door car related classes like PDRA.

If they offer the same things to racers, is it ok that tracks switched based upon things that may affect them? Even if it is stuff that we wouldn’t be aware of?

Bucky,

As a former track owner I feel the "business end" and the "racer end" of racetracks gets mixed up, by both parties.
If a track owner does his best to treat racers right, offer them as much as he can that is about all he can do.
If the sanctioning body offers the track a solid source for insurance, a year end program and possibly less SFI requirements for local racing; I would say that is a bonus for the track.
The "track must survive as a profitable business, unless like some tracks it simply doesn't matter because the owners are rich or they have a National Event and the remainder of the season is just "required filler" to keep the National Event.

WDRA is fresh, most tracks have been disappointed by IHRA and NHRA so "why not try something new that offers a better insurance program (or that is what I have heard)".

As long as tracks and racers can survive this Biden Destruction and inflation we should be good to go.

Jok

I guess what I was getting at is that theres was big jump before we really know what IHRA is doing. Currently the IHRA div finals was held about an hour from my house. Since all these tracks have switched, there is no IHRA tracks in Mi now. Rumors are that the WDRA div finals will be in Ill. Not planning on that trip or even signing up for points.

Man, you guys have a 3rd association trying to get a foothold with several dozen tracks in your area......*sniff* that's the saddest story I've ever heard.
Send WDRA out west to get tracks up and running...We'd kiss their a$$ and buy stock in the company !!

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Originally posted by Toad1:
Bucky,

As a former track owner I feel the "business end" and the "racer end" of racetracks gets mixed up, by both parties.
If a track owner does his best to treat racers right, offer them as much as he can that is about all he can do.
If the sanctioning body offers the track a solid source for insurance, a year end program and possibly less SFI requirements for local racing; I would say that is a bonus for the track.
The "track must survive as a profitable business, unless like some tracks it simply doesn't matter because the owners are rich or they have a National Event and the remainder of the season is just "required filler" to keep the National Event.

WDRA is fresh, most tracks have been disappointed by IHRA and NHRA so "why not try something new that offers a better insurance program (or that is what I have heard)".

As long as tracks and racers can survive this Biden Destruction and inflation we should be good to go.

Jok

I appreciate your opinion because as a former track owner you may understand more about what goes on with the business end of it and exactly what the "HRA's" do for us.

I also realize that the "Biden destruction and Inflation" may be the biggest threat to us. It has already made a huge impact cutting car counts and I do not know if it will ever get better again.

3 tracks all within 60 mi of each other raced here this past weekend. 1 is going WDRA next year 1 seems to be committed to IHRA and one is an outlaw track. All had crowds and good car counts.
Track owner operators should look at what's offered and make their decisions. As racers we're just along for the ride. Where I am I can join points and race at an NHRA, IHRA, WDRA and an outlaw track all within a 60 mi. radius.

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WDRA
2023 MEMBERSHIP AND LICENSE INFORMATION

MEMBERSHIP & LICENSE: (TRANSFER OF A CURRENT LICENSE):
To make the transition to WDRA a value and not a financial hardship for the racers that support WDRA member tracks, WDRA will offer a $1 transfer of a valid license for any racer that has their home track join WDRA in 2023. License transfers will receive full WDRA membership benefits including insurance.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO:
1. On January 1, 2023 racers will download a WDRA membership application from www.racewdra.com.
2. Complete the form and submit the membership form and a copy of your valid license to WDRA.
3. WDRA will return to you a WDRA license identical in class and expiration date as the one you submitted to transfer. The cost is $1.

MEMBERSHIP & LICENSE: (NEW WITH CURRENT LICENSE):
If your home track joins WDRA for 2023 and your existing license expires in the first part of the 2023 season, you would be joining WDRA as a NEW member. When you join as a new member and you have a few months left on your existing license, WDRA will add the number of months left on your current license to your new WDRA license at no charge. That way you don’t lose any value of a license that has not yet expired when you join WDRA.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO:
1. On January 1, 2023 racers will download a WDRA membership application from www.racewdra.com.
2. Complete the form and submit the membership form and a copy of your valid license to WDRA.
3. WDRA will return to you a WDRA license identical in license level and with extra months of membership added to it. The cost is $100 ($80 for Juniors) and the Sportsman Drag Racing Championship registration and car number is included. The cost for a general membership and license without SDRS registration is only $50.

MEMBERSHIP & LICENSE: (NEW WITH LICENSE THAT EXPIRED IN THE LAST 24 MONTHS)
If your license expired during the last 24 months, you can use it to join WDRA as a new member and receive the same license level as your expired license without having to make licensing runs again.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO:
1. On January 1, 2023 racers will download a WDRA membership application from www.racewdra.com.
2. Complete the form and submit the membership form and a copy of your expired license to WDRA.
3. WDRA will return to you a WDRA license identical in license level. The cost is $100 ($80 for Juniors) and the Sportsman Drag Racing Championship registration and car number is included. The cost for a general membership and license without SDRS registration is only $50.

MEMBERSHIP & LICENSE: (NEW WITH NO LICENSE OR EXPIRED LONGER THAN 24 MONTHS):
If you have never had a license or your license is more than 24 months past expiration, you can easily join WDRA as a new member.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO:
1. On January 1, 2023 racers will download a WDRA membership and license application from www.racewdra.com.
2. Complete the forms and submit the membership form and the license form (your WDRA track operator will have to sign off on your licensing runs) to WDRA.
4. WDRA will return to you a WDRA license equivalent to your approved licensing runs. The cost is $100 ($80 for Juniors) and the Sportsman Drag Racing Championship registration and car number is included. The cost for a general membership and license without SDRS registration is only $50.

CAR NUMBER:
As racers ourselves we understand the need to maintain existing car numbers. We view your car number like your cell phone number….when you change carriers you bring your number with you. Racers will request their existing car number during the transfer or new registration process.

CHASSIS CERTIFICATION:
All valid NHRA and IHRA chassis certifications will be honored for the 2023 season. A list of WDRA chassis certification officials and inspection dates will be posted on www.racewdra.com as they become available for 2023 for anyone that needs a new inspection.

To me that reads, "after the 2023 season your going to have to pay for a bunch of stuff for a third sanctioning body"

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Originally posted by Mike Nitzsche:
To me that reads, "after the 2023 season your going to have to pay for a bunch of stuff for a third sanctioning body"

A third bunch of stuff. Currently neither IHRA or NHRA recognize each others credentials.

IHRA did allow for a time NHRA stuff at certain events in order to get more NHRA racers to attend and not require them to have IHRA credentials. It didn't really take as they came and raced that event and didn't join.

Hey, I wonder if they would want me to be one of their chassis guy's?? After all I am one for IHRA. LOL

Dave

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Originally posted by David Covey:

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Originally posted by Mike Nitzsche:
To me that reads, "after the 2023 season your going to have to pay for a bunch of stuff for a third sanctioning body"

A third bunch of stuff. Currently neither IHRA or NHRA recognize each others credentials.

IHRA did allow for a time NHRA stuff at certain events in order to get more NHRA racers to attend and not require them to have IHRA credentials. It didn't really take as they came and raced that event and didn't join.

Hey, I wonder if they would want me to be one of their chassis guy's?? After all I am one for IHRA. LOL

Dave

I'm surprised they haven't called you. Seems like they just go down the list of all IHRA stuff and try to get them to switch a few letters around LOL

To be honest, depending on which IHRA people are with them I kinda expect that call.

I see no reason why I couldn't do both. Everyone uses the SFI for specifications, and I am contract labor for IHRA since I stopped doing tech.

All they would have to do is send me a WDRA shirt and I would be covered..lol

Dave

Here in Oz we are in same boat 2 bodies argueing over a small pie . 2 techs 2 lic to be able to race

Tex

Had a special race at my local track today. The track has already signed with WDRA and one of their representatives was at the track today, Scott Gardner.

Here ya go Steve. Looks like TRP is staying with NHRA.

Anyone know what tracks are left at IHRA now?

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Originally posted by Holytown:
Anyone know what tracks are left at IHRA now?

Would take sometime to list them out, but 44 IHRA and 38 WDRA tracks based on what has been published.