"But in the bracket racing world, the beauty of the class was “no rules.” However, with the onslaught of electronic “aides” we have at our discretion to use today, are there some which can allow for consistent “double-0s” and dead on the dial runs? What they are, I don’t know and I’d like to buy some if they’re available. Just kidding but…"

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Careful John---the WFC has allowed air/ electric shifters for years....What concerns me is as many as 7 buttons on the steering wheel at footbrake race. I say "get the buttons out of the foot brake cars period". Removes the suspicion. Thanks for covering the lowly foot brake racer.

If there are rules let them be known, make them the same for everyone and enforce them. As far as electronics class goes anything goes, why have any limits? The sanctioning bodies helped destroy footbrake and stock by allowing electronics in. Now promoters want people that have cars with electronics to be able to run multiple classes so they don't enforce taking the stuff out of the car to run no electronics classes. I've seen delay boxes and buttons in plain sight at sanctioning body's spectacular races.

John it's funny that you wrote this now. There was a huge discussion yesterday on the Facebook page of a track fairly local to me about people using a Grid in the No-E class. Of course those using it say there is nothing to worry about and those that don't want them in say there is.

Nothing will be solved with the arguing/discussion without the track owner speaking up with his thought on it, although I think the fact that it has been allowed speaks to his feelings. I don't think the cat can be put back in the bag now.

Curtis

Here is the blog John posted the link to.

With the glut of big dollar bracket racing events, there comes the talk of rules and maybe even cheating. I’ve read reports on internet (and then it HAS to be true) of the old Dirty Dozen caught cheating decades ago. Truth is that from what I understand, NOBODY of that group actually got caught cheating. It began when one individual refused to get torn down; if you will; after either winning or going rounds, instead choosing to simply load up and leave. Maybe that could be considered as an admission of guilt, but no one I know of actually was “caught.”

Somehow I guess, a list of 11 of this particular person’s “customers” were leaked and those became known as the Dirty Dozen banned from certain races. I once asked one particular track owner as to just how he can justify banning those persons when I thought we were a society of “innocent until proven guilty.” The answer was, “I get calls stating that if any of those 12 were going to be allowed at my races, then ‘I’m not coming.’ As far as I’m concerned, those people would hurt attendance at my events and therefore, I don’t want them on my property.” Sounded fair enough.

All that being said though, where are we today in terms of cheating?

I really don’t believe there is cheating taking place. Maybe I’m being naïve, but I think most racers are pretty honest. Oh, we all might skirt the rules somewhat, but when we know it’s wrong, I think most everyone stays away from it. Unfortunately though, in an attempt to “close the barn door before the horse gets out,” we have to have rules written down and therefore the reason the NHRA Rulebook has gone from a short handbook to one which encompasses over 300 pages. Not to mention the various other unseen handbooks which we as racers might not be privy to.

But in the bracket racing world, the beauty of the class was “no rules.” However, with the onslaught of electronic “aides” we have at our discretion to use today, are there some which can allow for consistent “double-0s” and dead on the dial runs? What they are, I don’t know and I’d like to buy some if they’re available. Just kidding but…

At some of the big bracket races I go to in order to cover them, I do see spot checks being made and that’s a good thing. Will they eventually find something? Probably not but it keeps everyone on their toes.

The other issue with rules are the different ones governing the race itself. For example, the World Footbrake Challenge along with the Southern Footbrake Challenge are for just that, footbrake only. No trans brakes. No automatic shifters. Yet, here in the northeast, the Pro class, which was essentially the footbrake class, now allows trans brakes and shifters. This has the abilities to allow certain Super Stock-type cars to run on a weekly basis. However, most all of the big-dollar footbrake races are still footbrake-only. All I can say to know the rules beforehand. All of which also involves double-entries and the like.

What do they say? Buyer beware. -John DiBartolomeo

Here John D, read THIS

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

How do you program those?

You can't. That's the point.

I could throw a ball at a hoop for half an hour and never make it in, but Jordan could shoot three pointers all day. He must be cheating.

Beard you were 1 red and went up on the stall? You must have rolled some into the box? lmao

And you can't do that every time---when you are hot you are hot......Last week "my boy" was .00+ with 2 .000 lights till round 8 and had a .034. But that is a good string for the Duck boy.

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Originally posted by Chris Dixon:
Beard you were 1 red and went up on the stall? You must have rolled some into the box? lmao

Felt like I hit it hard on the time run, and was confident in the setup based on a couple of weeks of data. And it's not that I went up on the rpm... it floats a little sometimes. I don't know if that's something I can correct in the idle air control or whatnot. I was just noting where it ended up.

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Originally posted by ferndaleflyer:
And you can't do that every time---when you are hot you are hot......Last week "my boy" was .00+ with 2 .000 lights till round 8 and had a .034. But that is a good string for the Duck boy.

Sunday, started out with a -.003 red, but bought back and was .018, .006, .016, .006, and .021 before totally blowing it in the semis with an .043.

I was double-oh red like 5+ times at Bristol. The deep rollout is identical at Dragway 42, so I pulled 1 more degree of timing, and it's darn near perfect.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
You can't. That's the point.

I could throw a ball at a hoop for half an hour and never make it in, but Jordan could shoot three pointers all day. He must be cheating.

Yeah, I got the point. LOL

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
Felt like I hit it hard on the time run, and was confident in the setup based on a couple of weeks of data. And it's not that I went up on the rpm... it floats a little sometimes. I don't know if that's something I can correct in the idle air control or whatnot. I was just noting where it ended up.

I'm just messing with you, I know you have it under control. Thats my problem in footbrake, if i'm low 00 or red im adjusting to much.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
The deep rollout is identical at Dragway 42, so I pulled 1 more degree of timing, and it's darn near perfect.

Do you do that the old fashion way or that new fan dangled way?

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Originally posted by markemark:

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:
The deep rollout is identical at Dragway 42, so I pulled 1 more degree of timing, and it's darn near perfect.

Do you do that the old fashion way or that new fan dangled way?

New fandangled. My car is fuel injected. Started out life as the 2009 Challenger 5.9L DragPak engine combination, which I ran in Super Stock for years. The shortblock is a 408 stroker these days, but the top end of the motor is still Super Stock legal. If I ever get the bug again, crank, rods, and pistons, and we're back in business.

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Originally posted by Chris Dixon:
I'm just messing with you, I know you have it under control. Thats my problem in footbrake, if i'm low 00 or red im adjusting to much.

I know. I'm doing a lot of little stuff: sunglasses, burying the brake pedal, etc. Tires don't do anything since I'm deep staging. Don't have any schmancy buttons to fool with since I'm footbraking. Timing changes are really good for fine tuning. At least in my car, I see about .005 change in R/T per 1 degree.

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Originally posted by Michael Beard:

New fandangled. My car is fuel injected. Started out life as the 2009 Challenger 5.9L DragPak engine combination, which I ran in Super Stock for years. The shortblock is a 408 stroker these days, but the top end of the motor is still Super Stock legal. If I ever get the bug again, crank, rods, and pistons, and we're back in business.

I know. I'm doing a lot of little stuff: sunglasses, burying the brake pedal, etc. Tires don't do anything since I'm deep staging. Don't have any schmancy buttons to fool with since I'm footbraking. Timing changes are really good for fine tuning. At least in my car, I see about .005 change in R/T per 1 degree.

Aaaahhh Yes……..The power of programmable ignition. SWEET !!!!!

Michael Beard - Final Final Call to the lanes!

Duck boy how many years did you ride my a$$ about deep staging and here you are----GOING DEEP

What brand are those sneakers?